I just want to say, I like Victor Oladipo, and I want the Heat to keep him in our long term plans.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Dipo is only 30 years old.

He is a baller, and fits with our culture very well.


I like him as a player, and really want the Heat to keep this man on our roster long term.


Get rid of Duncan Robinson's bloated contract, and pay Dipo to stay.

[eddieheatfan]

injury prone player give him the vet min if he wants to stay here, if not let him walk

[SerialChiller]

Dipo is only 30 years old.

He is a baller, and fits with our culture very well.


I like him as a player, and really want the Heat to keep this man on our roster long term.


Get rid of Duncan Robinson's bloated contract, and pay Dipo to stay.

We need to keep him...im calling it now, he will have a big season next year with a full offseason to get ready and to gell with the team. Spo needs to let him loose though with a big role as a starter or 6th man.

[AirP.]

injury prone player give him the vet min if he wants to stay here, if not let him walk

What a ridiculous take for two reasons.

1. Oladipo had a major injury and that injury needed surgery, had the surgery where something went wrong and by the time Oladipo knew of the issue because of the pain he had, he decided instead of missing more time he played with the pain. While knowing this issue he said no to extensions on other teams while knowing things weren't 100% because he wanted to get to Miami vs being paid elsewhere, so there's this push by a very talented player to get to Miami which is one of the few ways Miami can acquire higher level talent for pennies on the dollar.

2. I'm not sure you quite understand Miami's salary cap situation currently and for the next few years, with Butler and Bam maxed, Lowry making near 30 mil the next 2 years, Robinson making ~18 mil, Herro on his 3rd year of his rookie contract, Vincent and Strus both only signed 1 more year, Miami doesn't really have many ways to replace talent that you let walk out the door.

So here's the situation, either you keep Oladipo, a 2 way player who has the ability to put up 20 on any given night, pay him a fair price since Miami holds his Bird rights and pay him what you think he'll bring to your team a year after Miami handed 18 million a year to a one dimensional 3pt shooter who can't even crack the playoff rotation. Or do you let Oladipo walk which saves the owner money going less into the tax and replace Oladipo with another minimum level player since Miami doesn't hold any other possible higher level player's Bird rights.

Another reason for resigning Oladipo, expecting him to keep getting better and closer to the player he once was(but not 100% what he once was) lets Miami make other moves on the team to strengthen the roster for the next few years to have a stronger roster going into the playoffs. Miami probably has another 2-4 strong years from Butler, maybe not him at his apex but good enough to be a high level 2 way player still.

Possibly next year... Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, X(Newly acquired better starting big), Bam with a bench of Tucker and some mix of (since players may be moved for the new big) Vincent, Strus, Herro, Robinson, Yurtseven, Martin, Highsmith, Dedmon and 1st round pick this next draft.

Summary: Pay Oladipo which costs the owner more money and gives Miami another possible high level player on the roster or save the owner money and move forward with another vet minimum player since they'll have little to no money for free agents because Oladipo walks. Unless you want to save money and limit the roster's potential you resign Oladipo.

[unowen85]

Keep Oladipo. Package Herro and Robinson for another big man. Easy.

[balla345]

Truth is if this team wants to win a championship dipo has to stay. Herro and Robinson have to go. Two defenders with top 10 worse defense in the NBA will be really hard to win a championship with them on defense alone. With them gone get another stretch big who has size, hit 3's and defend. ALso, move tucker to the bench with dipo and we will be set. Maybe add another vet who can score like a rudy gay type and we can be even better.

[insfo]

Agreed. We have to find a way to keep him, and this might be our only major signing the next couple of years unless we manage to ship Robinson out. But with the way he's going to shoot us to a championship this year, maybe we just keep him as well

[AirP.]

Truth is if this team wants to win a championship dipo has to stay. Herro and Robinson have to go. Two defenders with top 10 worse defense in the NBA will be really hard to win a championship with them on defense alone. With them gone get another stretch big who has size, hit 3's and defend. ALso, move tucker to the bench with dipo and we will be set. Maybe add another vet who can score like a rudy gay type and we can be even better.

Herro doesn't have to go, he has shown he can give effort and Miami could have him continue to work on his defense. Although I'd move him because I think there's little chance of him getting better in certain aspects of his game there's always that chance he figures it out. To me Herro needs to go to a team that's all about offense or a team like Utah who has a rim protector to cover up some of his defensive issues. He's a talented offensive player who's just too big of a liability on defense for a team built on... defense.

It's also quite possible Miami could move Robinson and maybe another small contract or asset to get a useful playoff player for this team while keeping and rolling the dice that Herro gets better on the defensive end but they have 1 year to really decide that before he hits restricted free agency.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Truth is if this team wants to win a championship dipo has to stay. Herro and Robinson have to go. Two defenders with top 10 worse defense in the NBA will be really hard to win a championship with them on defense alone. With them gone get another stretch big who has size, hit 3's and defend. ALso, move tucker to the bench with dipo and we will be set. Maybe add another vet who can score like a rudy gay type and we can be even better.

Herro doesn't have to go, he has shown he can give effort and Miami could have him continue to work on his defense. Although I'd move him because I think there's little chance of him getting better in certain aspects of his game there's always that chance he figures it out. To me Herro needs to go to a team that's all about offense or a team like Utah who has a rim protector to cover up some of his defensive issues. He's a talented offensive player who's just too big of a liability on defense for a team built on... defense.

It's also quite possible Miami could move Robinson and maybe another small contract or asset to get a useful playoff player for this team while keeping and rolling the dice that Herro gets better on the defensive end but they have 1 year to really decide that before he hits restricted free agency.

Bigger picture with contract in mind for Herro I think we have to trade him. Bring us in a star scorer who can get an efficient 25 a night. Mitchell, Lavine, Beal, etc.

I’ll be in the minority but I’d even do Grant and Bey from Detroit as a last resort. Both versatile defenders that can shoot. Both have had HUGE scoring games this season.

[AirP.]

Truth is if this team wants to win a championship dipo has to stay. Herro and Robinson have to go. Two defenders with top 10 worse defense in the NBA will be really hard to win a championship with them on defense alone. With them gone get another stretch big who has size, hit 3's and defend. ALso, move tucker to the bench with dipo and we will be set. Maybe add another vet who can score like a rudy gay type and we can be even better.

Herro doesn't have to go, he has shown he can give effort and Miami could have him continue to work on his defense. Although I'd move him because I think there's little chance of him getting better in certain aspects of his game there's always that chance he figures it out. To me Herro needs to go to a team that's all about offense or a team like Utah who has a rim protector to cover up some of his defensive issues. He's a talented offensive player who's just too big of a liability on defense for a team built on... defense.

It's also quite possible Miami could move Robinson and maybe another small contract or asset to get a useful playoff player for this team while keeping and rolling the dice that Herro gets better on the defensive end but they have 1 year to really decide that before he hits restricted free agency.

Bigger picture with contract in mind for Herro I think we have to trade him. Bring us in a star scorer who can get an efficient 25 a night. Mitchell, Lavine, Beal, etc.

I’ll be in the minority but I’d even do Grant and Bey from Detroit as a last resort. Both versatile defenders that can shoot. Both have had HUGE scoring games this season.

Both of those players would do good in Miami, Grant wants to be a top option, he possibly could be the first 3 quarters with Oladipo. I like Bey a lot, 3&D mostly guy who can do more then that but probably would be utilized as the next Tucker... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The guy I thought was undervalued and actually had in my Heat predictions as a long shot trade for the Heat was Bagley who finally got moved this season to Detroit(which I think was a great move), interesting enough he was a +1 in ORTG-DRTG while in Detroit putting up 14.6 pts, 6.8 rebs, in 27.2 minutes while having a TS% of .585 which puts him right behind Butler this year at .592. Can't really trade for him now since it would have to be a S&T which hardcaps the team but his size would have worked really well for Miami.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro doesn't have to go, he has shown he can give effort and Miami could have him continue to work on his defense. Although I'd move him because I think there's little chance of him getting better in certain aspects of his game there's always that chance he figures it out. To me Herro needs to go to a team that's all about offense or a team like Utah who has a rim protector to cover up some of his defensive issues. He's a talented offensive player who's just too big of a liability on defense for a team built on... defense.

It's also quite possible Miami could move Robinson and maybe another small contract or asset to get a useful playoff player for this team while keeping and rolling the dice that Herro gets better on the defensive end but they have 1 year to really decide that before he hits restricted free agency.

Bigger picture with contract in mind for Herro I think we have to trade him. Bring us in a star scorer who can get an efficient 25 a night. Mitchell, Lavine, Beal, etc.

I’ll be in the minority but I’d even do Grant and Bey from Detroit as a last resort. Both versatile defenders that can shoot. Both have had HUGE scoring games this season.

Both of those players would do good in Miami, Grant wants to be a top option, he possibly could be the first 3 quarters with Oladipo. I like Bey a lot, 3&D mostly guy who can do more then that but probably would be utilized as the next Tucker... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The guy I thought was undervalued and actually had in my Heat predictions as a long shot trade for the Heat was Bagley who finally got moved this season to Detroit(which I think was a great move), interesting enough he was a +1 in ORTG-DRTG while in Detroit putting up 14.6 pts, 6.8 rebs, in 27.2 minutes while having a TS% of .585 which puts him right behind Butler this year at .592. Can't really trade for him now since it would have to be a S&T which hardcaps the team but his size would have worked really well for Miami.

Bagley is a stud, being on the kings and injuries early have gotten him off to a slow start. We’ll see what happens the rest of the way

[oreon]

injury prone player give him the vet min if he wants to stay here, if not let him walk

What a ridiculous take for two reasons.

1. Oladipo had a major injury and that injury needed surgery, had the surgery where something went wrong and by the time Oladipo knew of the issue because of the pain he had, he decided instead of missing more time he played with the pain. While knowing this issue he said no to extensions on other teams while knowing things weren't 100% because he wanted to get to Miami vs being paid elsewhere, so there's this push by a very talented player to get to Miami which is one of the few ways Miami can acquire higher level talent for pennies on the dollar.

2. I'm not sure you quite understand Miami's salary cap situation currently and for the next few years, with Butler and Bam maxed, Lowry making near 30 mil the next 2 years, Robinson making ~18 mil, Herro on his 3rd year of his rookie contract, Vincent and Strus both only signed 1 more year, Miami doesn't really have many ways to replace talent that you let walk out the door.

So here's the situation, either you keep Oladipo, a 2 way player who has the ability to put up 20 on any given night, pay him a fair price since Miami holds his Bird rights and pay him what you think he'll bring to your team a year after Miami handed 18 million a year to a one dimensional 3pt shooter who can't even crack the playoff rotation. Or do you let Oladipo walk which saves the owner money going less into the tax and replace Oladipo with another minimum level player since Miami doesn't hold any other possible higher level player's Bird rights.

Another reason for resigning Oladipo, expecting him to keep getting better and closer to the player he once was(but not 100% what he once was) lets Miami make other moves on the team to strengthen the roster for the next few years to have a stronger roster going into the playoffs. Miami probably has another 2-4 strong years from Butler, maybe not him at his apex but good enough to be a high level 2 way player still.

Possibly next year... Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, X(Newly acquired better starting big), Bam with a bench of Tucker and some mix of (since players may be moved for the new big) Vincent, Strus, Herro, Robinson, Yurtseven, Martin, Highsmith, Dedmon and 1st round pick this next draft.

Summary: Pay Oladipo which costs the owner more money and gives Miami another possible high level player on the roster or save the owner money and move forward with another vet minimum player since they'll have little to no money for free agents because Oladipo walks. Unless you want to save money and limit the roster's potential you resign Oladipo.

We don't know if he can do that consistently. Defensively looks like he can bring it game to game but offensively its still a question. And his injury history is still a concern. Honestly it all depends on the number and the years.. Ideally the best situation for Heat would be a 1 year 15 - 20 mil year deal, you can see what he is with a proper offseason. Then in the summer if he's playing on a high level on both ends he can get either get a big deal with the Heat or someone else.

We just can't afford another big contract thats overpaid with Lowry, Bam and Butler when in a year we are also going to have to a
But I think a long-term big contract with what we''ve seen so far would be a mistake. He is 30, and has major surgeries, its more than likely hIs best days are behind him.

Anyways its not an easy decision either way. Same goes for a lot of the roster in a year. We either going to have to pay Gabe, Struss, Herro and Yurt or they will walk. This is why Bam not being elite offensively matters. If you are a team based on depth unless your owner is Steve Balmer at some point you are going to have to let good players go because you can't afford it. So you need your max players to play like max players. So this and next year its probably as deep we will ever be unless the Heat can find more min guys to replace guys like Gabe, Struss, Yurt if those players get priced out of what FO is willing to offer

[AirP.]

We just can't afford another big contract thats overpaid with Lowry, Bam and Butler when in a year we are also going to have to a
But I think a long-term big contract with what we''ve seen so far would be a mistake. He is 30, and has major surgeries, its more than likely hIs best days are behind him.

Ok, so worst case scenerio if he ends up being bad how does that hurt a roster that's already over the tax? He's just taking up a roster slot. I'm really not understanding what the downside is other than the owner is paying more for the roster.

[Bourne85]

We just can't afford another big contract thats overpaid with Lowry, Bam and Butler when in a year we are also going to have to a
But I think a long-term big contract with what we''ve seen so far would be a mistake. He is 30, and has major surgeries, its more than likely hIs best days are behind him.

Ok, so worst case scenerio if he ends up being bad how does that hurt a roster that's already over the tax? He's just taking up a roster slot. I'm really not understanding what the downside is other than the owner is paying more for the roster.

Like EddieHeatfan said , he’s more than welcome to stay on a minimum contract. But this dude passed up 4yr 80million from Houston and you know damn well he is looking to make that up. The man cannot throw the ball in the ocean. He had a nice lil hesi step back tonigh and mike breen said “you can hear the ball clang off the backboard” lmao. He doesn’t have any jump shot whatsoever. A decent slashing defender is what he is now, aka minimum or MLE type contract at the maximum but that’s pushing it too. He can stay for the minimum, as long as he likes. He wants that bread he lost? Look elsewhere

[Hallstar]

Well that lasted as long as a good fling

[BFRESH44]

Don’t think you have to worry about Oladipo having a market anything above the veteran’s minimum.

[AirP.]

We just can't afford another big contract thats overpaid with Lowry, Bam and Butler when in a year we are also going to have to a
But I think a long-term big contract with what we''ve seen so far would be a mistake. He is 30, and has major surgeries, its more than likely hIs best days are behind him.

Ok, so worst case scenerio if he ends up being bad how does that hurt a roster that's already over the tax? He's just taking up a roster slot. I'm really not understanding what the downside is other than the owner is paying more for the roster.

Like EddieHeatfan said , he’s more than welcome to stay on a minimum contract. But this dude passed up 4yr 80million from Houston and you know damn well he is looking to make that up. The man cannot throw the ball in the ocean. He had a nice lil hesi step back tonigh and mike breen said “you can hear the ball clang off the backboard” lmao. He doesn’t have any jump shot whatsoever. A decent slashing defender is what he is now, aka minimum or MLE type contract at the maximum but that’s pushing it too. He can stay for the minimum, as long as he likes. He wants that bread he lost? Look elsewhere

That's smart... so you're good with replacing him with another Highsmith or Morris on the minimum since Miami won't have any money for a free agent, why utilize his Bird rights? It costs Miami NO assets, just the owner more money which they were preparing for hence staying under the tax this year by basically any means necessary.

After missing multiple years with surgeries(one botched) I'm encouraged with him having the ability to have some good offensive games from time to time this early in his comeback since he was not allowed to get the rust off during the regular season(Spoelstra sat him for the most part when he came back). Teams aren't practicing and with that not many high level scrimmages to help him get the rust off. The rule of thumb for NBA players is a full month of games just to get their wind back, he's not even had that and he's being thrust into playoff games while extremely rusty.

I guess I must have been the only one watching basically every Miami player miss dramatically tonight, maybe something about the Covid scare which altered their game day activities like cancelling their shoot around because of that scare may have caused issues but it wasn't just Oladipo missing badly.

On the Covid scare, no players had covid but 2 people close to the team(1 being a trainer) seem to have tested positive for Covid and had to stay in Boston which probably altered player's off day and game day activities for instance Miami canceled it's shoot around earlier in the gameday.

Once again... resigning whoever Miami resigns for whatever price does not alter who else they can acquire for the roster, they're not under the cap. You'll be replacing Oladipo with a minimum player WITHOUT Oladipo's upside. You guys know that this isn't the same situation as it's been, Butler, Bam, Lowry and Robinson are eating a huge portion of the cap by themselves, there's little to no free agent money.

[KingDavid]

Keep Oladipo. Package Herro and Robinson for another big man. Easy.

Big man? Why? So spo can bench him in favor of playing Bam at center again?

[oreon]

We just can't afford another big contract thats overpaid with Lowry, Bam and Butler when in a year we are also going to have to a
But I think a long-term big contract with what we''ve seen so far would be a mistake. He is 30, and has major surgeries, its more than likely hIs best days are behind him.

Ok, so worst case scenerio if he ends up being bad how does that hurt a roster that's already over the tax? He's just taking up a roster slot. I'm really not understanding what the downside is other than the owner is paying more for the roster.

Yes. Lets say Butler declines in a year and we are no longer a contender so we need to pivot to gain flexibility. You can move some of the ad contracts like Duncan, Lowry with picks to get out of them. But adding a 3rd contract makes that harder.
Its just unwise to commit to long-term to a 30 year old who has had 2 major surgeries in the past 2 years.
It looks like it will be a 2nd round exit. It makes no sense to marry yourself into this roster long-term. Priority in the offseason should looking to get a 2nd elite offensive star with whatever assets we have outside Butler. For me its about the years. I don't care if Dipo get a max, as long its a one year max so we have some flexibility however little it is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

One bad game and here come the Herro Stans

A **** cult