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The DAntoni (and son of Dantoni ie. Spobottis Spobotto) chronicles have resumed:
Smallball worked great in the regular season and got us a first seed. Gravy.
But in the postseason the players were shut down by defensive scheming and the fatigue of the intensity.
Players got injured and limped to the finish line due to a season of defensive switching schemes and a higher pace.
Once again the shooters had dead legs and couldn't shoot and the Heat morphed into a Jimmy Butler buffet.
All this and we still went 7 games.
What a shame. The team was well rested all season except for a few like Tucker and Martin who were run to the ground.
Herro was run to the ground. Even at his young age of 22, he had nothing left. His shot was dead.
Smallball/uptempo failure legacy:
Phoenix Suns - Nash/Marion/Stoudemire/Hill
Houston Rockets - Harden/Paul/Capela/Tucker/Lowry
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Dragic/Herro/Robinson
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Tucker/Lowry/Dipo/Strus
The failure continues.
The Yurt dimension was ignored, perhaps for the best as even the Bucks failed to beat the Celtics. Were the Bucks at full strength?
The Celtics went 7 vs the Bucks while we rested and we still lost to them even with HCA. They were the better team.
The great anomaly to the Dantoni/Spobotti failwagon has been the success of the Golden State Warriors.
The difference being they featured 7 footers in Durant and the Australian center Bogut. Were they truly small? Now they have a Wiggins and some bulldogs up front. And they have an all-time shooter in Curry. Will they also defeat the Celtics?
I applaud this Heat squad and their effort in the Dantoni Spobotti machine. They rocked it till the wheels fell off.
It was a heck of a run.
Smallball worked great in the regular season and got us a first seed. Gravy.
But in the postseason the players were shut down by defensive scheming and the fatigue of the intensity.
Players got injured and limped to the finish line due to a season of defensive switching schemes and a higher pace.
Once again the shooters had dead legs and couldn't shoot and the Heat morphed into a Jimmy Butler buffet.
All this and we still went 7 games.
What a shame. The team was well rested all season except for a few like Tucker and Martin who were run to the ground.
Herro was run to the ground. Even at his young age of 22, he had nothing left. His shot was dead.
Smallball/uptempo failure legacy:
Phoenix Suns - Nash/Marion/Stoudemire/Hill
Houston Rockets - Harden/Paul/Capela/Tucker/Lowry
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Dragic/Herro/Robinson
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Tucker/Lowry/Dipo/Strus
The failure continues.
The Yurt dimension was ignored, perhaps for the best as even the Bucks failed to beat the Celtics. Were the Bucks at full strength?
The Celtics went 7 vs the Bucks while we rested and we still lost to them even with HCA. They were the better team.
The great anomaly to the Dantoni/Spobotti failwagon has been the success of the Golden State Warriors.
The difference being they featured 7 footers in Durant and the Australian center Bogut. Were they truly small? Now they have a Wiggins and some bulldogs up front. And they have an all-time shooter in Curry. Will they also defeat the Celtics?
I applaud this Heat squad and their effort in the Dantoni Spobotti machine. They rocked it till the wheels fell off.
It was a heck of a run.
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harlem_ball wrote:The DAntoni (and son of Dantoni ie. Spobottis Spobotto) chronicles have resumed:
Smallball worked great in the regular season and got us a first seed. Gravy.
But in the postseason the players were shut down by defensive scheming and the fatigue of the intensity.
Players got injured and limped to the finish line due to a season of defensive switching scheme and higher pace.
Once again the shooters had dead legs and couldn't shoot and the Heat morphed into a Jimmy Butler buffet.
All this and we still went 7 games.
What a shame. The team was well rested all season except for a few like Tucker and Martin who were run to the ground.
Herro was run to the ground. Even at his young age of 22, he had nothing left. His shot was dead.
Smallball/uptempo failure legacy:
Phoenix Suns - Nash/Marion/Stoudemire/Hill
Houston Rockets - Harden/Paul/Capela/Tucker/Lowry
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Dragic/Herro/Robinson
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Tucker/Lowry/Dipo/Strus
The failure continues.
The Yurt dimension was ignored, perhaps for the best as even the Bucks failed to beat the Celtics. Were the Bucks at full strength?
The Celtics went 7 vs the Bucks while we rested and we still lost to them even with HCA. They were the better team.
The great anomaly to the Dantoni/Spobotti failwagon has been the success of the Golden State Warriors.
The difference being they featured 7 footers in Durant and the Australian center. Were they truly small? Now they have a Wiggins and some bulldogs up front. And they have an all-time shooter in Curry. Will they also defeat the Celtics?
I applaud this Heat squad and their effort in the Dantoni Spobotti machine. They rocked it till the wheels fell off.
It was a heck of a run.

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harlem_ball wrote:The DAntoni (and son of Dantoni ie. Spobottis Spobotto) chronicles have resumed:
Smallball worked great in the regular season and got us a first seed. Gravy.
But in the postseason the players were shut down by defensive scheming and the fatigue of the intensity.
Players got injured and limped to the finish line due to a season of defensive switching schemes and a higher pace.
Once again the shooters had dead legs and couldn't shoot and the Heat morphed into a Jimmy Butler buffet.
All this and we still went 7 games.
What a shame. The team was well rested all season except for a few like Tucker and Martin who were run to the ground.
Herro was run to the ground. Even at his young age of 22, he had nothing left. His shot was dead.
Smallball/uptempo failure legacy:
Phoenix Suns - Nash/Marion/Stoudemire/Hill
Houston Rockets - Harden/Paul/Capela/Tucker/Lowry
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Dragic/Herro/Robinson
Miami Heat - Butler/Bam/Tucker/Lowry/Dipo/Strus
The failure continues.
The Yurt dimension was ignored, perhaps for the best as even the Bucks failed to beat the Celtics. Were the Bucks at full strength?
The Celtics went 7 vs the Bucks while we rested and we still lost to them even with HCA. They were the better team.
The great anomaly to the Dantoni/Spobotti failwagon has been the success of the Golden State Warriors.
The difference being they featured 7 footers in Durant and the Australian center Bogut. Were they truly small? Now they have a Wiggins and some bulldogs up front. And they have an all-time shooter in Curry. Will they also defeat the Celtics?
I applaud this Heat squad and their effort in the Dantoni Spobotti machine. They rocked it till the wheels fell off.
It was a heck of a run.
The Celtics are playing the Warriors in the NBA Finals.
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How isn't getting a team with this level of talent to the finals isn't indicative of the success of small ball and Spo?

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I hate our defensive switching. It kills legs and gets people injured.
But what can we do. We are stuck with Riley's adopted son, the Spobot.
But what can we do. We are stuck with Riley's adopted son, the Spobot.
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gom wrote:How isn't getting a team with this level of talent to the finals isn't indicative of the success of small ball and Spo?
It's historically a crash and burn system. Fly high and burn out quickly, including injuries (Dragic, Paul, Hero, etc)
Spo would be wise to add size and depend less on the chaotic switching, maybe. The defense is stout but we're giving up too many threes.
Warriors just got gassed by the bigger Celtic team and they had way more rest. Let's see how the series goes.
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Spobotti ravioli sounds like a delicious pasta ngl
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marson wrote:Spobotti ravioli sounds like a delicious pasta ngl

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A bit unfair. Lowry, Herro, Jimmy and Tucker all were dealing with health issues of varying extents and the team was still a Butler 3 away from possibly reaching the finals.
The system may have worked had the pieces been more reliable. The bigger issue was that the healthiest players were the scrubs and they didn’t step up consistently when the pressure was highest. It’s been a good story for the regular season but it fell apart against an elite team.
Not that I wouldn’t mind playing bigger because when it counted Bam has shrunk in the face of a bigger player. But maybe having more reliable backups or another scoring threat would have been the difference.
People have been fixated on Mitchell, but what about Gobert next to Bam if we are going big?
The system may have worked had the pieces been more reliable. The bigger issue was that the healthiest players were the scrubs and they didn’t step up consistently when the pressure was highest. It’s been a good story for the regular season but it fell apart against an elite team.
Not that I wouldn’t mind playing bigger because when it counted Bam has shrunk in the face of a bigger player. But maybe having more reliable backups or another scoring threat would have been the difference.
People have been fixated on Mitchell, but what about Gobert next to Bam if we are going big?
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Heat3 wrote:People have been fixated on Mitchell, but what about Gobert next to Bam if we are going big?
Spo would submit his letter of resignation if we had that front court. Now if someone told him to trade for Mitchell and put him at C… Spo would get that guy a promotion.
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Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
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Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
I think it’s not a matter of small ball sucks always or small ball is great always. There’s a nuance to the argument. That nuance being small ball is great in the playoffs, but figure out a way to not burn your players out before then.
Spoball is more than just smallball tho. It’s also constant lineup changes and ever-shifting roles. All these variables combine to leave players oftentimes lost and/or at increased injury risk. Look no further than Bam getting lost on offense in many games to see what I’m talking about.
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HeatFanLifer wrote:Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
I think it’s not a matter of small ball sucks always or small ball is great always. There’s a nuance to the argument. That nuance being small ball is great in the playoffs, but figure out a way to not burn your players out before then.
Spoball is more than just smallball tho. It’s also constant lineup changes and ever-shifting roles. All these variables combine to leave players oftentimes lost and/or at increased injury risk. Look no further than Bam getting lost on offense in many games to see what I’m talking about.
If that's what he meant, he should've put that in the title/OP
A 7 footer would not have saved this team-- in most instances it would've made it worse
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Bishop45 wrote:HeatFanLifer wrote:Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
I think it’s not a matter of small ball sucks always or small ball is great always. There’s a nuance to the argument. That nuance being small ball is great in the playoffs, but figure out a way to not burn your players out before then.
Spoball is more than just smallball tho. It’s also constant lineup changes and ever-shifting roles. All these variables combine to leave players oftentimes lost and/or at increased injury risk. Look no further than Bam getting lost on offense in many games to see what I’m talking about.
If that's what he meant, he should've put that in the title/OP
A 7 footer would not have saved this team-- in most instances it would've made it worse
I dunno what he meant. Just speaking my view.
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Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
Great point. But if your SF is 6'8 (Tatum) is that truly small nowadays? That SF is like a center in todays league.
The championship Warriors also featured Durant at SF at 7 ft as well as Bogut.
Just asking questions...
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HeatFanLifer wrote:Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
I think it’s not a matter of small ball sucks always or small ball is great always. There’s a nuance to the argument. That nuance being small ball is great in the playoffs, but figure out a way to not burn your players out before then.
Spoball is more than just smallball tho. It’s also constant lineup changes and ever-shifting roles. All these variables combine to leave players oftentimes lost and/or at increased injury risk. Look no further than Bam getting lost on offense in many games to see what I’m talking about.
Yeah that's the kicker. We constantly wimper to the finish line and our shooters are dead.
Boston's slow start seems to have helped them stay fresh. They are also younger.
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Ugh... this means around 290 of the 300 teams for a decade fail.
Miami has a championship level defense, like it or not that's what it is. The defense in the playoffs is what carried this team to the finals in the bubble and came withing a possession or from doing it again for the 2nd time in 3 years. Miami needs to upgrade a couple spots in it's rotation that drastically hurt them offensively, get rid of pretty much anyone who is a liability on defense and maybe spend more than 8.5 million for lower 40% of the starting rotation might help and by the way something they can fix this offseason. Had Miami gotten a decent backup 4 at the trade deadline this team would be in the finals but instead they hoarded their assets and decided Martin was good enough who is a 2/3.
If Miami goes with a regular center that can't switch you might as well trade Bam because there's way better options for the 4 then a defensive 4 who can't shoot 3s and doesn't do much offensively away from the basket.
Miami has a championship level defense, like it or not that's what it is. The defense in the playoffs is what carried this team to the finals in the bubble and came withing a possession or from doing it again for the 2nd time in 3 years. Miami needs to upgrade a couple spots in it's rotation that drastically hurt them offensively, get rid of pretty much anyone who is a liability on defense and maybe spend more than 8.5 million for lower 40% of the starting rotation might help and by the way something they can fix this offseason. Had Miami gotten a decent backup 4 at the trade deadline this team would be in the finals but instead they hoarded their assets and decided Martin was good enough who is a 2/3.
If Miami goes with a regular center that can't switch you might as well trade Bam because there's way better options for the 4 then a defensive 4 who can't shoot 3s and doesn't do much offensively away from the basket.
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harlem_ball wrote:Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
Great point. But if your SF is 6'8 (Tatum) is that truly small nowadays? That SF is like a center in todays league.
The championship Warriors also featured Durant at SF at 7 ft as well as Bogut.
Just asking questions...
Bogut was only there for the first championship. He wasn't on those KD Warrior squads. That was Zaza Pachulia/JaVale McGee/David West.
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contract wrote:harlem_ball wrote:Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
Great point. But if your SF is 6'8 (Tatum) is that truly small nowadays? That SF is like a center in todays league.
The championship Warriors also featured Durant at SF at 7 ft as well as Bogut.
Just asking questions...
Bogut was only there for the first championship. He wasn't on those KD Warrior squads. That was Zaza Pachulia/JaVale McGee/David West.
Yea. Still some height there.
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harlem_ball wrote:HeatFanLifer wrote:Bishop45 wrote:Warriors could not match up with the line-up that Boston put in during the 4th-- which was basically 4 shooters and Al Horford or Robert Williams-- how is that not small ball?
Warriors could not play Looney/Dray or Andre/Dray for a lack of shooting
sounds like a small ball success to me.
I think it’s not a matter of small ball sucks always or small ball is great always. There’s a nuance to the argument. That nuance being small ball is great in the playoffs, but figure out a way to not burn your players out before then.
Spoball is more than just smallball tho. It’s also constant lineup changes and ever-shifting roles. All these variables combine to leave players oftentimes lost and/or at increased injury risk. Look no further than Bam getting lost on offense in many games to see what I’m talking about.
Yeah that's the kicker. We constantly wimper to the finish line and our shooters are dead.
Boston's slow start seems to have helped them stay fresh. They are also younger.
Failing to win the championship doesn't mean that you are doing anything wrong or not playing the right way. It may just mean that another team was better. Maybe instead of underachieving in the playoffs we overachieved in the regular season.
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