Bam since becoming a starter (4 years) vs Bosh Miami Heat Tenure (6 years)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam (last 4 seasons) vs Bosh (6 seasons with Miami):

Bosh: Big 3 era (3rd option)

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2010-2011: 18.7-8.3-1.9-0.8-0.6 on 49.6% shooting, .569 TS%, 13.7 shots a game (0.3 from 3) 6.1 FTA at 81.5% in 36.3 minutes a game

Bosh had 23.5 usage this season, .177 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (1.4 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.3 VORP, 19.4 PER

2011-2012: 18.0-7.9-1.8-0.9-0.8 on 48.7% shooting, .551 TS%, 14.2 shots a game (0.6 from 3) 4.9 FTA at 82.1% in 35.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.2 usage this season, .165 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.0 offense, -0.2 defense) 1.4 VORP, 18.9 PER

2012-2013: 16.6-6.8-1.7-0.9-1.4 on 53.5% shooting, .592 TS%, 12.3 shots a game (1.0 from 3) 4.1 FTA at 79.8% in 33.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.7 usage this season, .175 WS/48, 1.3 BPM (1.5 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.1 VORP, 20.0 PER

2013-2014: 16.2-6.6-1.1-1.0-1.0 on 51.6% shooting, .597 TS%, 12.1 shots a game (2.8 from 3 at 34%) 3.4 FTA at 82% in 32 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.6 usage this season, .152 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.3 offense, -0.5 defense) 1.8 VORP, 19.0 PER

Bosh: Post Big 3 Era (2nd Option)

2014-2015: 21.1-7.0-2.1-0.9-0.6 on 46% shooting, .548 TS%, 16.9 shots a game (3.8 from 3 at 37.5%) 5.3 FTA at 77.2% in 35.4 minutes a game

Bosh had a 28.4 usage this season, .111 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (2.5 offense, -1.3 defense) 1.3 VORP, 19.8 PER

2015-2016: 19.1-7.4-2.4-0.7-0.6 on 46.7% shooting, .571 TS%, 14.5 shots a game (4.2 from 3 at 36.5%) 5.1 FTA at 79.5% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.7 usage this season, .172 WS/48, 4.0 BPM (3.6 offense, 0.4 defense) 2.7 VORP, 20.2 PER

Chris Bosh playoff stats with (Miami 78 games): 14.9-7.3-1.1-1.1-0.8 on 48.1% shooting on 11.6 shots a game (1.6 from 3 at 40.6%) 3.8 FTA at 79% in 34.7 MPG

Bam stats since becoming a starter (3rd option):

2019-2020: 15.9-10.2-5.1-1.1-1.3 on 55.7% shooting, .598 TS%, 11.0 shots a game, 5.3 FTA at 69.1% in 33.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 21.2 usage this season, .168 WS/48, 3.4 BPM (1.4 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.3 VORP, 20.3 PER

2020-2021: 18.7-9.0-5.4-1.2-1.0 on 57% shooting, .626 TS%, 12.5 shots a game, 5.5 FTA at 79.9% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bam had a 23.7 usage this season, .197 WS/48, 4.9 BPM (2.9 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.7 VORP, 22.7 PER

2021-2022: 19.1-10.1-3.4-1.4-0.8 on 55.7% shooting, .608 TS%, 13.0 shots a game, 6.1 FTA at 75.3% in 32.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.0 usage this season, .188 WS/48, 3.8 BPM (1.7 offense, 2.1 defense) 2.7 VORP, 21.8 PER

2022-2023: 20.4-9.2-3.2-1.2-0.8 on 54% shooting, .592 TS%, 14.9 shots a game, 5.4 FTA at 80.6% in 34.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.2 usage this season, .137 WS/48, 1.6 BPM (0.8 offense, 0.8 defense) 2.3 VORP, 20.1 PER

Bam playoff stats as a starter (43 games): 16.4-9.1-3.7-1.0-0.7 on 56.2% shooting, 11.3 shots a game, 4.8 FTA at 76.9% in 34.8 MPG

Especially when factoring in Bam being the better overall defender between the 2, he has been the better regular season and playoff performer between the 2 whether Bosh was the 3rd or 2nd option. Bams regular and advanced metrics both trump Boshs.

Bam is the better rebounder, passer, defender, scorer in the paint, and better at getting to the free throw line. Bosh right now is the better mid range shooter and 3 point shooter, he also made his free throws at a slightly better clip.

Bosh peaked in his overall development when he became a great 3 point shooter at 29-30, Bam is currently 25 and improving every single season. If that continues this won’t even be up for discussion as long as he stays in a Heat jersey.

Need Bam to get his 3 point attempts and percentages up to where Bosh was his final 2 years in Miami, that would take him to a whole other level and help the team a ton.

Bam as a starter >>>> Miami Heat Bosh

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Bosh (2 championships, 4 finals appearance) > Bam (0 championships, 1 finals appearance)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bosh (2 championships, 4 finals appearance) > Bam (0 championships, 1 finals appearance)

7 championships, 7 finals appearances >>> 3 championships, 5 finals appearances

Horry >>> Wade

[Heat_Down_Under]

Bosh 13 seasons = 11 all star appearances

Bosh was an all star almost every season he played. INB4 the reply don’t worry Bam will get a lot more all star appearances.. that’s a WHAT IF not reality..

[AirP.]

Their roles were/are different, Bosh had to limit his game and try to fit in when he went to Miami playing with 2 HOF high scoring players. Bosh's last year on Toronto he dropped 24 points and 11 rebounds. I'd easily take Bosh over Bam at the same age.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bosh 13 seasons = 11 all star appearances

Bosh was an all star almost every season he played. INB4 the reply don’t worry Bam will get a lot more all star appearances.. that’s a WHAT IF not reality..

Read the title lol and all star selections are subjective, 16-7-2 isn’t getting you into the all star game today in most cases

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Their roles were/are different, Bosh had to limit his game and try to fit in when he went to Miami playing with 2 HOF high scoring players. Bosh's last year on Toronto he dropped 24 points and 11 rebounds. I'd easily take Bosh over Bam at the same age.

What do you think Bams numbers are with 16.5 shot attempts and a 28.7 usage?

But again, this is Miami Bosh vs Bam. If Bosh is so far more skilled than Bam, shouldn’t he have been scoring on far higher efficiency in his Heat days? Especially next to LeBron and Wade who get 90% of the defensive attention while LeBron is one of the best passers ever and Wade is the best lob passer ever?

[Heat_Down_Under]

Bosh 13 seasons = 11 all star appearances

Bosh was an all star almost every season he played. INB4 the reply don’t worry Bam will get a lot more all star appearances.. that’s a WHAT IF not reality..

Read the title lol and all star selections are subjective, 16-7-2 isn’t getting you into the all star game today in most cases

Yeah but the comparison is no comparison.. your comparing heat bosh who in his prime had to defer to be a 3rd option and we didn’t get to see bosh’s ceiling with how much he could have excelled if let’s say he was 1st option by himself or second option to Wade (if James never came). Ofcourse the health issue as well cutting his prime/career.

It’s like saying when bam is in his prime he teams up with 2 superstars and bams stats are going to go up.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is a better rebounder, passer, and defender. That’s quite a few areas. Can anyone dispute those?

Bam is a better/more efficient scorer in the paint (2nd in paint scoring in the league, 1st in paint scoring not including the restricted area by a very wide margin) and from 16 feet and in. Bosh was the better scorer from 17+ feet and from the 3.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bosh 13 seasons = 11 all star appearances

Bosh was an all star almost every season he played. INB4 the reply don’t worry Bam will get a lot more all star appearances.. that’s a WHAT IF not reality..

Read the title lol and all star selections are subjective, 16-7-2 isn’t getting you into the all star game today in most cases

Yeah but the comparison is no comparison.. your comparing heat bosh who in his prime had to defer to be a 3rd option and we didn’t get to see bosh’s ceiling with how much he could have excelled if let’s say he was 1st option by himself or second option to Wade (if James never came). Ofcourse the health issue as well cutting his prime/career.

It’s like saying when bam is in his prime he teams up with 2 superstars and bams stats are going to go up.

It’s not like saying that, if Bam goes and teams up with 2 stars then his role is going to stay the exact same. He’s going to continue being the 3rd option, the exact same thing Bosh was in the big 3 era.

Go look at their number of shot attempts and usage, they’re nearly identical.

During the big 3 era Bosh averaged 17.3 on 13 shots a shots a night.

For his entire heat tenure Bosh averaged 18 on 13.6 shots.

Bam as a starter has averaged 18.5 on 12.9 shots.

So bam is scoring more on the same or slightly less attempts than Bosh was. It doesn’t matter who their teammates are because they’re getting the same amount of shot attempts every night. Unless of course you want to factor in Wade and LeBron are far better passers than anyone Bam has ever played with and draw far more attention than anyone he’s played with

[Heat_Down_Under]

Read the title lol and all star selections are subjective, 16-7-2 isn’t getting you into the all star game today in most cases

Yeah but the comparison is no comparison.. your comparing heat bosh who in his prime had to defer to be a 3rd option and we didn’t get to see bosh’s ceiling with how much he could have excelled if let’s say he was 1st option by himself or second option to Wade (if James never came). Ofcourse the health issue as well cutting his prime/career.

It’s like saying when bam is in his prime he teams up with 2 superstars and bams stats are going to go up.

It’s not like saying that, if Bam goes and teams up with 2 stars then his role is going to stay the exact same. He’s going to continue being the 3rd option, the exact same thing Bosh was in the big 3 era.

Go look at their number of shot attempts and usage, they’re nearly identical.

During the big 3 era Bosh averaged 17.3 on 13 shots a shots a night.

For his entire heat tenure Bosh averaged 18 on 13.6 shots.

Bam as a starter has averaged 18.5 on 12.9 shots.

So bam is scoring more on the same or slightly less attempts than Bosh was. It doesn’t matter who their teammates are because they’re getting the same amount of shot attempts every night. Unless of course you want to factor in Wade and LeBron are far better passers than anyone Bam has ever played with and draw far more attention than anyone he’s played with

I see all the requests/demands of bam not getting more usage/touches with butler and “Herro” on the team. If we had prime Wade right now with butler and bam you think bams usage is going to go up? Its most likely going to be the worse.. then in the future when we look back at bams stats we going to say bam was just ordinary offensively. You can claim to those nay sayers but did you watch bam play and see his importance on the team? But again thats more eye sight test and not stats. (Exactly when we say to fellow members did you watch the game or just the box score).

Defensively it would be different also..surely you wouldn’t have let’s say bam on ginobli or kawhi on the perimeter and Timmy grabbing career number boards over Wade.. The level of competition also was far more elite when bosh was playing with the likes of KG, Dirk, Timmy etc.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yeah but the comparison is no comparison.. your comparing heat bosh who in his prime had to defer to be a 3rd option and we didn’t get to see bosh’s ceiling with how much he could have excelled if let’s say he was 1st option by himself or second option to Wade (if James never came). Ofcourse the health issue as well cutting his prime/career.

It’s like saying when bam is in his prime he teams up with 2 superstars and bams stats are going to go up.

It’s not like saying that, if Bam goes and teams up with 2 stars then his role is going to stay the exact same. He’s going to continue being the 3rd option, the exact same thing Bosh was in the big 3 era.

Go look at their number of shot attempts and usage, they’re nearly identical.

During the big 3 era Bosh averaged 17.3 on 13 shots a shots a night.

For his entire heat tenure Bosh averaged 18 on 13.6 shots.

Bam as a starter has averaged 18.5 on 12.9 shots.

So bam is scoring more on the same or slightly less attempts than Bosh was. It doesn’t matter who their teammates are because they’re getting the same amount of shot attempts every night. Unless of course you want to factor in Wade and LeBron are far better passers than anyone Bam has ever played with and draw far more attention than anyone he’s played with

I see all the requests/demands of bam not getting more usage/touches with butler and “Herro” on the team. If we had prime Wade right now with butler and bam you think bams usage is going to go up? Its most likely going to be the worse.. then in the future when we look back at bams stats we going to say bam was just ordinary offensively. You can claim to those nay sayers but did you watch bam play and see his importance on the team? But again thats more eye sight test and not stats. (Exactly when we say to fellow members did you watch the game or just the box score).

Defensively it would be different also..surely you wouldn’t have let’s say bam on ginobli or kawhi on the perimeter and Timmy grabbing career number boards over Wade.. The level of competition also was far more elite when bosh was playing with the likes of KG, Dirk, Timmy etc.

Bam would still be the 3rd option like he is now, like Bosh was with the big 3 Heat. I’d be expecting his shots and usage to remain the same and playing next to Wade who is the best lob passer ever I’d actually be expecting Bam to be getting a lot more easy looks than he does now.

Was it really far more elite though? Are KG TD and Dirk with 1 foot in the door towards retirement by the time Bosh was with the Heat better than peak Giannis Jokic Embiid etc?

Let’s not forget Bosh was consistently being outplayed by guys like ROY Hibbert almost every time they played.

Luckily the advanced stats I posted arent from just the box score and show the impact both players had on winning on both sides of the ball, Bams was quite a bit higher.

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It’s not like saying that, if Bam goes and teams up with 2 stars then his role is going to stay the exact same. He’s going to continue being the 3rd option, the exact same thing Bosh was in the big 3 era.

Go look at their number of shot attempts and usage, they’re nearly identical.

During the big 3 era Bosh averaged 17.3 on 13 shots a shots a night.

For his entire heat tenure Bosh averaged 18 on 13.6 shots.

Bam as a starter has averaged 18.5 on 12.9 shots.

So bam is scoring more on the same or slightly less attempts than Bosh was. It doesn’t matter who their teammates are because they’re getting the same amount of shot attempts every night. Unless of course you want to factor in Wade and LeBron are far better passers than anyone Bam has ever played with and draw far more attention than anyone he’s played with

I see all the requests/demands of bam not getting more usage/touches with butler and “Herro” on the team. If we had prime Wade right now with butler and bam you think bams usage is going to go up? Its most likely going to be the worse.. then in the future when we look back at bams stats we going to say bam was just ordinary offensively. You can claim to those nay sayers but did you watch bam play and see his importance on the team? But again thats more eye sight test and not stats. (Exactly when we say to fellow members did you watch the game or just the box score).

Defensively it would be different also..surely you wouldn’t have let’s say bam on ginobli or kawhi on the perimeter and Timmy grabbing career number boards over Wade.. The level of competition also was far more elite when bosh was playing with the likes of KG, Dirk, Timmy etc.

Bam would still be the 3rd option like he is now, like Bosh was with the big 3 Heat. I’d be expecting his shots and usage to remain the same and playing next to Wade who is the best lob passer ever I’d actually be expecting Bam to be getting a lot more easy looks than he does now.

Was it really far more elite though? Are KG TD and Dirk with 1 foot in the door towards retirement by the time Bosh was with the Heat better than peak Giannis Jokic Embiid etc?

Let’s not forget Bosh was consistently being outplayed by guys like ROY Hibbert almost every time they played.

Luckily the advanced stats I posted arent from just the box score and show the impact both players had on winning on both sides of the ball, Bams was quite a bit higher.

That in itself shows bosh is better. If we signed bosh this season like we did in 2010 to pair with butler you can’t say bosh would take a back seat offensively to Herro.. bams lack of offense is what has him 3rd.. you can blame spo all you want and say spo doesn’t let bam shoot, but time and time again we see him with the ball when he can take a jumper but hesitates and passes out..

Well yeah we saw old man horford giving bam the fits in the playoffs last season..we watching lopez and portis give bam this fits right now like they always do.. and let’s not talk about the giannis, jokic, embiid match ups..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I see all the requests/demands of bam not getting more usage/touches with butler and “Herro” on the team. If we had prime Wade right now with butler and bam you think bams usage is going to go up? Its most likely going to be the worse.. then in the future when we look back at bams stats we going to say bam was just ordinary offensively. You can claim to those nay sayers but did you watch bam play and see his importance on the team? But again thats more eye sight test and not stats. (Exactly when we say to fellow members did you watch the game or just the box score).

Defensively it would be different also..surely you wouldn’t have let’s say bam on ginobli or kawhi on the perimeter and Timmy grabbing career number boards over Wade.. The level of competition also was far more elite when bosh was playing with the likes of KG, Dirk, Timmy etc.

Bam would still be the 3rd option like he is now, like Bosh was with the big 3 Heat. I’d be expecting his shots and usage to remain the same and playing next to Wade who is the best lob passer ever I’d actually be expecting Bam to be getting a lot more easy looks than he does now.

Was it really far more elite though? Are KG TD and Dirk with 1 foot in the door towards retirement by the time Bosh was with the Heat better than peak Giannis Jokic Embiid etc?

Let’s not forget Bosh was consistently being outplayed by guys like ROY Hibbert almost every time they played.

Luckily the advanced stats I posted arent from just the box score and show the impact both players had on winning on both sides of the ball, Bams was quite a bit higher.

That in itself shows bosh is better. If we signed bosh this season like we did in 2010 to pair with butler you can’t say bosh would take a back seat offensively to Herro.. bams lack of offense is what has him 3rd.. you can blame spo all you want and say spo doesn’t let bam shoot, but time and time again we see him with the ball when he can take a jumper but hesitates and passes out..

Well yeah we saw old man horford giving bam the fits in the playoffs last season..we watching lopez and portis give bam this fits right now like they always do.. and let’s not talk about the giannis, jokic, embiid match ups..

Bosh was already an established player when we signed him, Bams first year starting was when Herro came and Herro is payed $30M strictly to score. Bam is the better scorer and player but it is what it is, Spo has it set in his mind.

Horford gave Bam fits or the tandem of Rob and Horford did? He’s dominated them this season by the way, just as he has Lopez.

Giannis and lopez are giving Bam fits? He’s averaging 20-7-4-2 on 56% shooting in a series he didn’t play like the last 18 minutes of game 2 because we were getting blown out lol. Per36 (basically if he plays the 4th last game) he’s averaging 25-9-5-2. Could he be better? Sure, but let’s not act like he isn’t getting his either

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And what option you are offensively isn’t the barometer for where you rank on the team? Is Herro better than Bam? No, not even close to being close.

Whether Bosh would be 2nd option or not next to Bam and Jimmy doesn’t change the fact that Bam is a better defender, rebounder, passer etc

[Heat_Down_Under]

And what option you are offensively isn’t the barometer for where you rank on the team? Is Herro better than Bam? No, not even close to being close.

Whether Bosh would be 2nd option or not next to Bam and Jimmy doesn’t change the fact that Bam is a better defender, rebounder, passer etc

Based on this analogy (without going off topic) would you say JJJ is better than morant then? If JJJ is the better defender, rebounder, shot blocker (replaced passer).. coz if morant is the better scorer but not good defensively you would then be inclined to say he is.. which wouldn’t be true unless your sticking to your guns and HAVE to include passer in your analogy

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And what option you are offensively isn’t the barometer for where you rank on the team? Is Herro better than Bam? No, not even close to being close.

Whether Bosh would be 2nd option or not next to Bam and Jimmy doesn’t change the fact that Bam is a better defender, rebounder, passer etc

Based on this analogy (without going off topic) would you say JJJ is better than morant then? If JJJ is the better defender, rebounder, shot blocker (replaced passer).. coz if morant is the better scorer but not good defensively you would then be inclined to say he is.. which wouldn’t be true unless your sticking to your guns and HAVE to include passer in your analogy

There’s a worlds worth of difference in their offensive outputs, Morant is by far the better scorer and playmaker. JJJ is barely a better rebounder which is actually pretty embarrassing considering his size and Jas impact numbers far outweigh JJJs impact stats. JJJ is a far better defender but considering Jas by far better offensively and impact wise it’s easily Ja.

That’s not a good comparison considering Bams numbers on offense defense and impact are better than Boshs

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Bam was so bad last game. This thread is embarrassing.

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Bam was so bad last game. This thread is embarrassing.

lol