Mr Jimmy Butler - I offer my honest apology to you Sir

RexBoyWonder · Post #1 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:21 pm

I Feel like, and some of the others here as well, owe Jimmy this apology.

We wanted to miss the playoffs because this team looked chitty, the season looked lost - and we wanted to improve our draft position to help the team (and Jimmy) going forward.

Where I **** up in my thinking is this - You don't sell a guy like Jimmy short. You go all out. For him. He deserves it. He EARNED it.

So yea, this team is still deeply flawed. Yes, he still chitty support players around him.

But my god - you should never pass up an opportunity to see Jimmy go up against the best.

This guy just gave us one of the best playoffs performances OF ALL TIME.
AGAINST THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.
AGAINST AN MVP PLAYER.
WITH ALMOST NO HELP FROM HIS OWN TEAM.

He gave us a memory, that whatever happens next with this series - it doesn't even matter.

We'll remember this game, and Jimmy's heart - For a very long time.

And that's why we love this game.

As long as there's a guy like him, as long as there's a guy playing as hard, giving it his all, I will never again make the mistake of passing up an opportunity to see him try to showcase his greatness on the biggest stage.

So **** this draft, thanks Jimmy for getting my head straight, and let's try to shock the world.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #2 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:34 pm

I’m sorry for preferring the 14th pick over what I thought would be a 4-5 game series before we get sent home. Now we’re picking 18th and going to win the championship

El Alonzo scowl · Post #3 » by **El Alonzo scowl** » Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:00 pm

I want him to get a ring with us so bad. Haven't felt this way since Zo.

gom · Post #4 » by **gom** » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:46 pm

I don't think many fans were truly so obsessed about a late lottery first. Also doesn't make much statistical sense.

14 GSW Troy Murphy 12 729 19921 50.3 0.121 2001 /players/m/murphtr01.html

14 UTA Kris Humphries 13 800 14232 30.3 0.102 2004 /players/h/humphkr01.html

14 UTA Ronnie Brewer 8 502 11539 30.4 0.127 2006 /players/b/brewero02.html

14 HOU Patrick Patterson 11 719 14923 31.9 0.102 2010 /players/p/pattepa01.html

14 MIL John Henson 8 445 8752 20.7 0.113 2012 /players/h/hensojo01.html

14 MIA Bam Adebayo 6 418 12264 42.8 0.168 2017 /players/a/adebaba01.html

14 DEN Michael Porter Jr. 4 187 4878 13.9 0.137 2018 /players/p/portemi01.html

18 NOH David West 15 1034 29144 85.9 0.141 2003 /players/w/westda01.html

18 WAS JaVale McGee 15 863 14337 43.0 0.144 2008 /players/m/mcgeeja01.html

18 MIN Ty Lawson 8 551 16088 42.1 0.126 2009 /players/l/lawsoty01.html

18 OKC Eric Bledsoe 12 756 21021 46.1 0.105 2010 /players/b/bledser01.html

18 HOU Terrence Jones 6 234 5562 14.7 0.127 2012 /players/j/joneste01.html

18 IND T.J. Leaf 4 146 1238 2.7 0.104 2017 /players/l/leaftj01.html

18 IND Goga Bitadze 4 187 2218 5.4 0.116 2019 /players/b/bitadgo01.html

14th rank: 7 players with ws/48 of greater than 0.10, which is the minimum acceptable level of contribution. 5 * 0.1 = 0.5, which is 1/2 a win share.
18th rank: 7 players with ws/48 of greater than 0.10, which is the minimum acceptable level of contribution.

There are two players with ws/48 greater than 0.14 for 18th rank and only one for 14th rank. 3 * 0.14 = 0.42, plus two league average players gives 2/3 a win share.

Also, it's not true that he got no help. Duncan hit some 3s. Kyle got critical steals (and, yes, gave up stupid turnovers). Also, Caleb Martin was awesome.

ShulaDon92 · Post #5 » by **ShulaDon92** » Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:07 pm

Jimmys taking over again!!!

gom · Post #6 » by **gom** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:45 am

Imagine missing out a chance for Romeo Langford instead of being the only #8 seed in history to beat the #1 seed in 5 games.

Post #7 » by **Wiltside** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:47 am

gom wrote:Imagine missing out a chance for Romeo Langford instead of being the only #8 seed in history to beat the #1 seed.

Ay I was high on Langford :laugh:

Should never have doubted our supreme overlord, Yimmy. Shame on me.

Post #8 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:40 am

I left this board because of the negativity. Haven't posted, or even read anything here in months. Came back for this thread! Hoping to see some more apologies to Jimmy soon.

RexBoyWonder · Post #9 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:09 am

Wiltside wrote:
gom wrote:Imagine missing out a chance for Romeo Langford instead of being the only #8 seed in history to beat the #1 seed.

Ay I was high on Langford

Should never have doubted our supreme overlord, Yimmy. Shame on me.

We fuked up Wilt.

Jimmy's game isn't pretty, and is so tiring, he works SOOO hard for his points - that some tend to underestimate his effectiveness.

He's been underrated his all life, but this mother fukcer is legit the best player in the playoffs for the second straight year now. That's not even homer talk, he's been that good.

It's hard to believe because he was never regarded in that way, but reality is staring us straight in the face.

We might have the best player in the world right now.

contract · Post #10 » by **contract** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:17 am

BBallFreak wrote:I left this board because of the negativity. Haven't posted, or even read anything here in months. Came back for this thread! Hoping to see some more apologies to Jimmy soon.

I'm sorry that my incessant negativity drove you away.

But I'm even more sorry that they have been lying to you this whole time. This glass ...

... is clearly not half full.

AirP. · Post #11 » by **AirP.** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:53 pm

I've posted this a few times during the season, but here's the end of season result.

This is the top 10 players of calculated ORTG-DRTG(to get his overall impact on both sides of the court) for a season in the last 25 years with qualifiers of 20+ ppg and 50+ games. Butler is at +23 which is 2 off from #1 for the last quarter century. This is just a simple view without having to go through the whys. He's in incredible company. If I expand it to top 30, he's in there twice with his 2021 season. It blows me away that this FO still hasn't went all in on Butler and Bam.

The issue for Butler is how his particular game is so very taxing on him, he can't go all out without wearing down or having injuries with as much contact as he deals with. Hopefully he continues to prioritize his 3pt shot to actually be a better scorer in both the regular season and playoffs.

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+-------------+----+---+-----+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Player       |year|age|ts%  |pts |ast |reb |stl|blk|to |ortg|drtg|Net Rating|
+-------------+----+---+-----+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Kawhi Leonard|2016|24 |0.616|21.2|2.6 |6.8 |1.8|1  |1.5|121 |96  |25        |
|LeBron James |2013|28 |0.64 |26.8|7.3 |8   |1.7|0.9|3  |125 |101 |24        |
|Nikola Jokić |2023|27 |0.701|24.5|9.8 |11.8|1.3|0.7|3.6|134 |110 |24        |
|Kevin Durant |2017|28 |0.651|25.1|4.8 |8.3 |1.1|1.6|2.2|125 |101 |24        |
|LeBron James |2009|24 |0.591|28.4|7.2 |7.6 |1.7|1.1|3  |122 |99  |23        |
|Jimmy Butler |2023|33 |0.647|22.9|5.3 |5.9 |1.8|0.3|1.6|135 |112 |23        |
|Stephen Curry|2016|27 |0.669|30.1|6.7 |5.4 |2.1|0.2|3.3|125 |103 |22        |
|Chris Paul   |2008|22 |0.576|21.1|11.6|4   |2.7|0.1|2.5|125 |103 |22        |
|Kevin Durant |2013|24 |0.647|28.1|4.6 |7.9 |1.4|1.3|3.5|122 |100 |22        |
|Anthony Davis|2015|21 |0.591|24.4|2.2 |10.2|1.5|2.9|1.4|122 |100 |22        |
+-------------+----+---+-----+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+

spectrec130 · Post #12 » by **spectrec130** » Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:26 pm

Well since this thread is up might add my apology as well. I wasn't much of a fan for the trade to land Butler here. Compounding my issues with Butler is the contract in light of his age. But after these few seasons, I've come around to respect Butler as a player to the point that he garners my admiration to stand with Zo and Brian Grant as my favorite Heat Player of all time. He has built himself from the obscurity to become the things of nightmares for other teams. Mad respect for the exceptional hard work this man has put in. Am glad he has proved me wrong.

Seabass777 · Post #13 » by **Seabass777** » Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:18 pm

I’m sorry to Jimmy Butler for wanting to lose the play in games at the chance of a higher draft pick.

This playoff run has been a memorable one so far watching how hard Butler is working and seeing how he responds to these challenges is something special to watch.

RexBoyWonder · Post #14 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Tue May 2, 2023 8:10 pm

Watch on YouTube

CodeBreaker · Post #15 » by **CodeBreaker** » Thu May 4, 2023 12:37 am

He is above Zo now, just behind Wade and Bron.

Post #16 » by **Ice Man** » Thu May 4, 2023 12:32 pm

Jimmy Butler achieved the impossible. He turned tens of thousands of Chicago Bulls fans into Miami Heat fans, come playoff time. Talk about an unnatural act ...

3ballbomber · Post #17 » by **3ballbomber** » Fri May 5, 2023 1:55 am

CodeBreaker wrote:He is above Zo now, just behind Wade and Bron.

I put Jimmy above Lebron easy. Give Jimmy prime Wade & his winning a million rings. Hell give Jimmy Bosh & he'd prob have a ring already. Jimmy has been doing what his been doing w/ Bam as his 2nd leading scorer

& a bunch of undrafted cats...dismantling #1 seeds to boot. That's Elite, All-Star, worldly, superhuman level.

Wade above Jimmy because of 06 'ship.

dshearn · Post #18 » by **dshearn** » Sun May 7, 2023 5:58 am

3ballbomber wrote:
CodeBreaker wrote:He is above Zo now, just behind Wade and Bron.

I put Jimmy above Lebron easy. Give Jimmy prime Wade & his winning a million rings. Hell give Jimmy Bosh & he'd prob have a ring already. Jimmy has been doing what his been doing w/ Bam as his 2nd leading scorer & a bunch of undrafted cats...dismantling #1 seeds to boot. That's Elite, All-Star, worldly, superhuman level.

Wade above Jimmy because of 06 'ship.

I cant think of someone who has done more with less....

Bam (this point in his career) at best would be the 4th most talented player during the Lebron era.

Jimmy is a special dude no doubt...

3ballbomber · Post #19 » by **3ballbomber** » Sun May 7, 2023 8:28 am

dshearn wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:
CodeBreaker wrote:He is above Zo now, just behind Wade and Bron.

I put Jimmy above Lebron easy. Give Jimmy prime Wade & his winning a million rings. Hell give Jimmy Bosh & he'd prob have a ring already. Jimmy has been doing what his been doing w/ Bam as his 2nd leading scorer & a bunch of undrafted cats...dismantling #1 seeds to boot. That's Elite, All-Star, worldly, superhuman level.

Wade above Jimmy because of 06 'ship.

I cant think of someone who has done more with less....

Bam (this point in his career) at best would be the 4th most talented player during the Lebron era.

Jimmy is a special dude no doubt...

I'm getting old but i also can't think of a player playing in a team that is comprised of 8 undrafted players, missing their 20ppg player & achieving this much success in the playoffs, while putting up top numbers. Just incredible.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #20 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Sun May 7, 2023 8:24 pm

What Jimmy has done is amazing and I definitely like him far more than Heat LeBron but he is not ahead of LeBron all time with the Heat. Not even close yet. Dude was 4 times 1st team all nba, 2 time champion, 2 time finals mvp, 2 time mvp, got shafted for a DPOY and I’m sure was 4 time 1st or 2nd team all defense. Jimmy is amazing but he’s got to get the accolades to back it up if we’re talking all time