2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Hopefully with Rozier being out it helps Spo formulate his mind to function with non Rozier lineups. I assume he gives Mitchell a long look as a starter with Herro. He’ll have to stagger Burks and Larrson with them tonight.

[Bishop45]

Outchea'!

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

Hard pass from me, LaMelo isn't even a net positive for his team, he puts Iverson to shame when it comes to chucking and low bball IQ play, Bam's regressed offensively but he's still at worst a neutral on the team, and his defense is DPOY level. I'm probably biased though, LaMelo is one of my least favorite players in the league and a perfect example of everything wrong with the modern NBA.

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[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

Hard pass from me, LaMelo isn't even a net positive for his team, he puts Iverson to shame when it comes to chucking and low bball IQ play, Bam's regressed offensively but he's still at worst a neutral on the team, and his defense is DPOY level. I'm probably biased though, LaMelo is one of my least favorite players in the league and a perfect example of everything wrong with the modern NBA.

I get you feel that way, but I'm positive if you put him in that Heat culture he's not going to be that same player. Melo struggles to win in Charlotte because we have no culture and a lack of talent around him. He's forced to take wild shots because nobody else on the roster can create their own offense besides Bridges.

The only reason I would trade him because I know he would get his proper respect playing for a legit franchise. He's basically a lost soul in Charlotte sadly.

Thanks for answering tho.

[oreon]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

Hard pass from me, LaMelo isn't even a net positive for his team, he puts Iverson to shame when it comes to chucking and low bball IQ play, Bam's regressed offensively but he's still at worst a neutral on the team, and his defense is DPOY level. I'm probably biased though, LaMelo is one of my least favorite players in the league and a perfect example of everything wrong with the modern NBA.

Lamelo is MVP level talented. But I don't think he takes the game seriously or cares about winning. It would be a big test for Heat culture. If you can fix his mentality, you have a top 10 player. If the offer was on table, I'd take the risk. His ceiling is way higher than anyone on the roster.

[dolphinatik]

If we are not going to play Stephens then he should be gone. Josh Chris, keshad, all the rookie should be getting some run with a loose rope while Wiggins figures it out. Is Shai going for fiddy tonight?

[JustBuzzin]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

Hard pass from me, LaMelo isn't even a net positive for his team, he puts Iverson to shame when it comes to chucking and low bball IQ play, Bam's regressed offensively but he's still at worst a neutral on the team, and his defense is DPOY level. I'm probably biased though, LaMelo is one of my least favorite players in the league and a perfect example of everything wrong with the modern NBA.

Lamelo is MVP level talented. But I don't think he takes the game seriously or cares about winning. It would be a big test for Heat culture. If you can fix his mentality, you have a top 10 player. If the offer was on table, I'd take the risk. His ceiling is way higher than anyone on the roster.

I'm confident it's 80% culture. We have nothing to build on in Charlotte. Our culture sucks to be honest.

If this guy was on the Heat he would be a top 10 player no doubt. He just needs a system to develop winning habits. We can't give him that in Charlotte right now.

[Beenie]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

The timeline gap between KD and Melo wouldnt make much sense.

Personally, if Mia decides to reset their timeline and go young, though, I'd welcome a Bam for Melo swap.

Its a longshot, though. Mia is overly invested in Bam in every sense of the word.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I don't want to get confused for 3ammy, but a lot of this board is vastly underestimating Bam's stabilizing effect on these squads, especially defensively. I get his offense is herky jerky and frustrating due to the feeling he's wasting some potential, but he's doing it all on the other end of the floor and absolutely carrying, and its being taken for granted. Some teams would take a guy with his defense that can only give you mediocre offense and pay him (think Gobert), but Bam actually gives you average or even plus offense at times.

I would bet money if you replaced Bam with Ball straight up next year, with no other roster changes, that goes from a 45-50 win squad to a 30 win team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't want to get confused for 3ammy, but a lot of this board is vastly underestimating Bam's stabilizing effect on these squads, especially defensively. I get his offense is herky jerky and frustrating due to the feeling he's wasting some potential, but he's doing it all on the other end of the floor and absolutely carrying, and its being taken for granted. Some teams would take a guy with his defense that can only give you mediocre offense and pay him (think Gobert), but Bam actually gives you average or even plus offense at times.

I would bet money if you replaced Bam with Ball straight up next year, with no other roster changes, that goes from a 45-50 win squad to a 30 win team.

I’m literally just a Heat fan who calls out stupid **** when I see it about our franchise player. A lot of these guys don’t understand basketball outside of PPG so there’s a lot of educating going on but it goes in one ear and out the other. Either way, he continues to prove me right more and more as time goes on

[Kobewade11]

I don't want to get confused for 3ammy, but a lot of this board is vastly underestimating Bam's stabilizing effect on these squads, especially defensively. I get his offense is herky jerky and frustrating due to the feeling he's wasting some potential, but he's doing it all on the other end of the floor and absolutely carrying, and its being taken for granted. Some teams would take a guy with his defense that can only give you mediocre offense and pay him (think Gobert), but Bam actually gives you average or even plus offense at times.

I would bet money if you replaced Bam with Ball straight up next year, with no other roster changes, that goes from a 45-50 win squad to a 30 win team.

I think the quiet majority of the board understands Bam's value to the team and rates him appropriately. Where the line gets blurred is there's usually an extreme reaction to a minority of posters that criticize him (and to be fair, there is criticism of Bam that is perfectly legit).

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I don't want to get confused for 3ammy, but a lot of this board is vastly underestimating Bam's stabilizing effect on these squads, especially defensively. I get his offense is herky jerky and frustrating due to the feeling he's wasting some potential, but he's doing it all on the other end of the floor and absolutely carrying, and its being taken for granted. Some teams would take a guy with his defense that can only give you mediocre offense and pay him (think Gobert), but Bam actually gives you average or even plus offense at times.

I would bet money if you replaced Bam with Ball straight up next year, with no other roster changes, that goes from a 45-50 win squad to a 30 win team.

I think the quiet majority of the board understands Bam's value to the team and rates him appropriately. Where the line gets blurred is there's usually an extreme reaction to a minority of posters that criticize him (and to be fair, there is criticism of Bam that is perfectly legit).

Yeah probably. I agree he's a frustrating talent, if only because you can see offensively if he put it all together, he could be a KG level player, and might never make it there. To me watching him on offense, he always feels like someone who has too many skills, if that makes any sense, and he almost confuses himself on what he should be doing at times, when he could be more quick and decisive.

I wanted to compare him to Amare at one time, but to be honest he's way more skilled than Amare, but part of what made prime Amare (before he got hurt) so effective was he was brutally efficient at one thing, putting his head down and out quicking opposing bigs and getting to the line. Bam has that skill... but he has like a dozen others too, and it seems like he overwhelms himself on what he can do on any given possession.

Then you add in the fact he's a max guy, and there is a level of expectation that guys go above and beyond all-star level at that pay level, and no matter what anyone says defense first guys never get the full credit they deserve.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Doesn’t help that we neutered Bam the second we got Terry because we added another guy making almost $30M who is an offense only player like Herro and Duncan who make like $50M combined. His offense was progressing very well at 22 PPG prior to Terry and plummeted the second we added him.

This season is just a slump coupled with growing pains of a new offense and developing a 3 ball but he’s been back to the norm since December 1st or so.

Need to spam offense for Him and Herro to close this season to fast track the development. And I’m not talking throwing him the ball and making him iso and attack 2-3 guys at once the second he puts the ball on the court, need to run actual sets for him. We have plenty

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Doesn’t help that we neutered Bam the second we got Terry because we added another guy making almost $30M who is an offense only player like Herro and Duncan who make like $50M combined. His offense was progressing very well at 22 PPG prior to Terry and plummeted the second we added him.

This season is just a slump coupled with growing pains of a new offense and developing a 3 ball but he’s been back to the norm since December 1st or so.

Need to spam offense for Him and Herro to close this season to fast track the development. And I’m not talking throwing him the ball and making him iso and attack 2-3 guys at once the second he puts the ball on the court, need to run actual sets for him. We have plenty

Terry is just awful in so many ways and even if we got the best version of him, I have NEVER been a fan of offense only guards who are inefficient (why I was so hesitant to warm to Herro before he made his efficiency leap this season). People will make arguments that these guys make good 6th men, I'd argue you rarely ever see this type of 6th man on great teams. Even when Herro was more of a chucker, our best seasons he wasn't doing much in the playoffs.

What's the prototype for this that you can point to on a great championship team? Jamal Crawford was doing it OK for the Clippers for a while but they're seen as an underachiever (the Doc Rivers squads I mean).

[SA37]

Charlotte fan here.

Just reading some rumors KD most likely destination this off-season is Miami. With the emergence of Ware I was wondering about a possible deal with Charlotte this off-season.

Being KD is a of at this stage of his career wouldn't it make more sense to trade Bam for a true pg.

Thoughts on a possible Bam for LaMelo swap if you guys land KD?

I can't imagine Miami having much interest in LaMelo Ball. He's extremely skillful and brings a lot of entertainment value, but he doesn't seem like the kind of player Miami would pursue, let alone for Adebayo who, aside from kind of embodying "Heat Culture", is Miami's only legit big.

People are getting a little too carried away with the Ware hype. He's shown some nice skill and promise but, imo, he's 2-3 years away from being a consistent force on the court -- if he ever actually gets there. I'll make a similar point with Jovic, who I am not very high on: he's shown some promise, but he looks to be 2-3 years away from being a reliable contributor.

[SA37]

Doesn’t help that we neutered Bam the second we got Terry because we added another guy making almost $30M who is an offense only player like Herro and Duncan who make like $50M combined. His offense was progressing very well at 22 PPG prior to Terry and plummeted the second we added him.

This season is just a slump coupled with growing pains of a new offense and developing a 3 ball but he’s been back to the norm since December 1st or so.

Need to spam offense for Him and Herro to close this season to fast track the development. And I’m not talking throwing him the ball and making him iso and attack 2-3 guys at once the second he puts the ball on the court, need to run actual sets for him. We have plenty

Terry is just awful in so many ways and even if we got the best version of him, I have NEVER been a fan of offense only guards who are inefficient (why I was so hesitant to warm to Herro before he made his efficiency leap this season). People will make arguments that these guys make good 6th men, I'd argue you rarely ever see this type of 6th man on great teams. Even when Herro was more of a chucker, our best seasons he wasn't doing much in the playoffs.

What's the prototype for this that you can point to on a great championship team? Jamal Crawford was doing it OK for the Clippers for a while but they're seen as an underachiever (the Doc Rivers squads I mean).