2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 2.0

[Wiltside]

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Get Terry Rozier off my team, man.

[eddieheatfan]

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Get Terry Rozier off my team, man.

could be a long season

for the record giannis is not coming here. he could end up being a franchise player in dallas or even the fakers. cabron wants to retire in glory

luka
cabron
giannis that could be a two punch and half duo. cabron is a shadow of himself these days

[dubasilva]

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Get Terry Rozier off my team, man.

could be a long season

for the record giannis is not coming here. he could end up being a franchise player in dallas or even the fakers. cabron wants to retire in glory

luka
cabron
giannis that could be a two punch and half duo. cabron is a shadow of himself these days

I know it is the Fakers, and they have power around the league, but do they have the assets to make this trade and keep Cabron and Luka?

[HeatFanLifer]

I don’t see why people think this team is falling off. If you take away all the points scored by the opponents, then the team has defended a shutout every single game.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Get Terry Rozier off my team, man.

could be a long season

for the record giannis is not coming here. he could end up being a franchise player in dallas or even the fakers. cabron wants to retire in glory

luka
cabron
giannis that could be a two punch and half duo. cabron is a shadow of himself these days

I know it is the Fakers, and they have power around the league, but do they have the assets to make this trade and keep Cabron and Luka?

No lol, they barley have enough assets for Wiggins

[SA37]

I don’t see why people think this team is falling off. If you take away all the points scored by the opponents, then the team has defended a shutout every single game.

Spo has got us back to where he is comfortable: in the play-in and the team struggling to get to 100.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I'm praying they can make a package for Giannis centered around Herro work, it solves so many problems.

I don't think Herro is the cause of all of the team's problems, but I do think we're using him wrong (he's got to be a point guard to minimize the stress he puts on your defense), and I'm not even sure re-signing him at a lower price is still guaranteed to be worth it, if he continues to be misused and remains injury prone. That's assuming you get the rebate, he can still walk if someone is stupid enough to give him 50 per.

But if you can pull this deal off, and probably send Ware out too (since he's also being wasted and Bucks will want prospects along with picks), now you are in a situation where Spo has to start Bam and Giannis together (he can't possibly get away with what he's doing with Bam/Ware), and that combo should work fine. Bam is slightly better at the 4 IMO, but next to Giannis it doesn't matter because Giannis can defend centers but also play like a small forward on offense, minus the shooting. Then with Wiggins next to them, you still have a pretty insane frontline in terms of length/size, not as nuts as Giannis/Bam/Ware but arguably a better fit with Wiggins being a more reliable shooter than Ware, and more overall defensive versatility with those 3.

Actually that frontline would be insane defensively because each guy can defend at least one position above and below the position they play. Meaning it doesn't matter if Davion can only guard point guards and Powell can only guard other guards, because your frontline is basically the X-Men.

It also justifies the overuse of Davion, who fits a lot more on that squad. Davion's suspect spotup shooting is going to hurt a bit more, so we'll see, but still.

Mitchell
Powell
Wiggins
Adebayo
Giannis (sorry I'll learn to spell his last name if he comes here)

That is the best starting 5 in the east and would at least threaten OKC. It even possibly justifies finding ways to re-sign Powell/Wiggins, if this ends up being a championship core. Getting ahead of myself with that one though.

[Wiltside]

I'm praying they can make a package for Giannis centered around Herro work, it solves so many problems.

I don't think Herro is the cause of all of the team's problems, but I do think we're using him wrong (he's got to be a point guard to minimize the stress he puts on your defense), and I'm not even sure re-signing him at a lower price is still guaranteed to be worth it, if he continues to be misused and remains injury prone. That's assuming you get the rebate, he can still walk if someone is stupid enough to give him 50 per.

But if you can pull this deal off, and probably send Ware out too (since he's also being wasted and Bucks will want prospects along with picks), now you are in a situation where Spo has to start Bam and Giannis together (he can't possibly get away with what he's doing with Bam/Ware), and that combo should work fine. Bam is slightly better at the 4 IMO, but next to Giannis it doesn't matter because Giannis can defend centers but also play like a small forward on offense, minus the shooting. Then with Wiggins next to them, you still have a pretty insane frontline in terms of length/size, not as nuts as Giannis/Bam/Ware but arguably a better fit with Wiggins being a more reliable shooter than Ware, and more overall defensive versatility with those 3.

Actually that frontline would be insane defensively because each guy can defend at least one position above and below the position they play. Meaning it doesn't matter if Davion can only guard point guards and Powell can only guard other guards, because your frontline is basically the X-Men.

It also justifies the overuse of Davion, who fits a lot more on that squad. Davion's suspect spotup shooting is going to hurt a bit more, so we'll see, but still.

Mitchell
Powell
Wiggins
Adebayo
Giannis (sorry I'll learn to spell his last name if he comes here)

That is the best starting 5 in the east and would at least threaten OKC. It even possibly justifies finding ways to re-sign Powell/Wiggins, if this ends up being a championship core. Getting ahead of myself with that one though.

I agree on most of your points above here TH. If Spo isn't going to commit to Bam/Ware, then deal Ware while he still has significant value. He's one of the better young prospects in the league that could be attainable for another squad. He'd be a great get for Milwaukee. Herro is the hometown kid who could sell jerseys and put up buckets. Really, we'd need the league to stop screwing us so we can add in our picks and the Rozier contract.

I'd expect a deal to be something like Tyler Herro, Kelel Ware, Jaime Jaquez, Terry Rozier (waived) and a number of picks and swaps. Incoming could be Giannis, Thanasis, and maybe Portis or somebody.

Mitchell / Smith / Jakucionis
Powell / Fontecchio
Wiggins / Larsson
Giannis / Jovic / Keshad / Thanasis
Adebayo / Portis

I think we'd need to sign some vet guards/wings to give us more depth (Alec Burks reunion?), but that's a pretty solid squad.

Big question is whether New York or someone bites the bullet and throws KAT into the mix, and how Milwaukee views him. He's obviously a better play right now than anyone we can offer, but the Knicks don't have many picks to give. Maybe they could ontrade KAT to someone for the picks haul they want though. Who knows what MIL prioritises if Giannis truly asks out.

One thing of note, Thanasis can't be dealt until the 15th December, and you'd have to assume that they are a package deal whatever happens. Maybe we'll find out soon enough.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm praying they can make a package for Giannis centered around Herro work, it solves so many problems.

I don't think Herro is the cause of all of the team's problems, but I do think we're using him wrong (he's got to be a point guard to minimize the stress he puts on your defense), and I'm not even sure re-signing him at a lower price is still guaranteed to be worth it, if he continues to be misused and remains injury prone. That's assuming you get the rebate, he can still walk if someone is stupid enough to give him 50 per.

But if you can pull this deal off, and probably send Ware out too (since he's also being wasted and Bucks will want prospects along with picks), now you are in a situation where Spo has to start Bam and Giannis together (he can't possibly get away with what he's doing with Bam/Ware), and that combo should work fine. Bam is slightly better at the 4 IMO, but next to Giannis it doesn't matter because Giannis can defend centers but also play like a small forward on offense, minus the shooting. Then with Wiggins next to them, you still have a pretty insane frontline in terms of length/size, not as nuts as Giannis/Bam/Ware but arguably a better fit with Wiggins being a more reliable shooter than Ware, and more overall defensive versatility with those 3.

Actually that frontline would be insane defensively because each guy can defend at least one position above and below the position they play. Meaning it doesn't matter if Davion can only guard point guards and Powell can only guard other guards, because your frontline is basically the X-Men.

It also justifies the overuse of Davion, who fits a lot more on that squad. Davion's suspect spotup shooting is going to hurt a bit more, so we'll see, but still.

Mitchell
Powell
Wiggins
Adebayo
Giannis (sorry I'll learn to spell his last name if he comes here)

That is the best starting 5 in the east and would at least threaten OKC. It even possibly justifies finding ways to re-sign Powell/Wiggins, if this ends up being a championship core. Getting ahead of myself with that one though.

I agree on most of your points above here TH. If Spo isn't going to commit to Bam/Ware, then deal Ware while he still has significant value. He's one of the better young prospects in the league that could be attainable for another squad. He'd be a great get for Milwaukee. Herro is the hometown kid who could sell jerseys and put up buckets. Really, we'd need the league to stop screwing us so we can add in our picks and the Rozier contract.

I'd expect a deal to be something like Tyler Herro, Kelel Ware, Jaime Jaquez, Terry Rozier (waived) and a number of picks and swaps. Incoming could be Giannis, Thanasis, and maybe Portis or somebody.

Mitchell / Smith / Jakucionis
Powell / Fontecchio
Wiggins / Larsson
Giannis / Jovic / Keshad / Thanasis
Adebayo / Portis

I think we'd need to sign some vet guards/wings to give us more depth (Alec Burks reunion?), but that's a pretty solid squad.

Big question is whether New York or someone bites the bullet and throws KAT into the mix, and how Milwaukee views him. He's obviously a better play right now than anyone we can offer, but the Knicks don't have many picks to give. Maybe they could ontrade KAT to someone for the picks haul they want though. Who knows what MIL prioritises if Giannis truly asks out.

One thing of note, Thanasis can't be dealt until the 15th December, and you'd have to assume that they are a package deal whatever happens. Maybe we'll find out soon enough.

Without looking at their roster get me GTJ and Prince as well. Need some vet shooters to fill the roster out. Sign Brook Lopez on the buyout market.

Davion/Dru
Powell/Pelle
Wiggins/GTJ
Giannis/Prince
Bam/Lopez

[Flash4thewin]

I'm praying they can make a package for Giannis centered around Herro work, it solves so many problems.

I don't think Herro is the cause of all of the team's problems, but I do think we're using him wrong (he's got to be a point guard to minimize the stress he puts on your defense), and I'm not even sure re-signing him at a lower price is still guaranteed to be worth it, if he continues to be misused and remains injury prone. That's assuming you get the rebate, he can still walk if someone is stupid enough to give him 50 per.

But if you can pull this deal off, and probably send Ware out too (since he's also being wasted and Bucks will want prospects along with picks), now you are in a situation where Spo has to start Bam and Giannis together (he can't possibly get away with what he's doing with Bam/Ware), and that combo should work fine. Bam is slightly better at the 4 IMO, but next to Giannis it doesn't matter because Giannis can defend centers but also play like a small forward on offense, minus the shooting. Then with Wiggins next to them, you still have a pretty insane frontline in terms of length/size, not as nuts as Giannis/Bam/Ware but arguably a better fit with Wiggins being a more reliable shooter than Ware, and more overall defensive versatility with those 3.

Actually that frontline would be insane defensively because each guy can defend at least one position above and below the position they play. Meaning it doesn't matter if Davion can only guard point guards and Powell can only guard other guards, because your frontline is basically the X-Men.

It also justifies the overuse of Davion, who fits a lot more on that squad. Davion's suspect spotup shooting is going to hurt a bit more, so we'll see, but still.

Mitchell
Powell
Wiggins
Adebayo
Giannis (sorry I'll learn to spell his last name if he comes here)

That is the best starting 5 in the east and would at least threaten OKC. It even possibly justifies finding ways to re-sign Powell/Wiggins, if this ends up being a championship core. Getting ahead of myself with that one though.

I agree on most of your points above here TH. If Spo isn't going to commit to Bam/Ware, then deal Ware while he still has significant value. He's one of the better young prospects in the league that could be attainable for another squad. He'd be a great get for Milwaukee. Herro is the hometown kid who could sell jerseys and put up buckets. Really, we'd need the league to stop screwing us so we can add in our picks and the Rozier contract.

I'd expect a deal to be something like Tyler Herro, Kelel Ware, Jaime Jaquez, Terry Rozier (waived) and a number of picks and swaps. Incoming could be Giannis, Thanasis, and maybe Portis or somebody.

Mitchell / Smith / Jakucionis
Powell / Fontecchio
Wiggins / Larsson
Giannis / Jovic / Keshad / Thanasis
Adebayo / Portis

I think we'd need to sign some vet guards/wings to give us more depth (Alec Burks reunion?), but that's a pretty solid squad.

Big question is whether New York or someone bites the bullet and throws KAT into the mix, and how Milwaukee views him. He's obviously a better play right now than anyone we can offer, but the Knicks don't have many picks to give. Maybe they could ontrade KAT to someone for the picks haul they want though. Who knows what MIL prioritises if Giannis truly asks out.

One thing of note, Thanasis can't be dealt until the 15th December, and you'd have to assume that they are a package deal whatever happens. Maybe we'll find out soon enough.

Unfortunately there is no chance in hell they touch that package. Herro doesnt have that value and worse is not under contract, he just has one year on his deal. I know we all want lopsided deals on our favor but that just wont happen here. The other thing to consider is does Giannis even want to come here? He wanted to come here before he won a ring, his preferred destination of NY is telling. He wants the media, the exposure, the marketing love etc in contrast to actually wanting to win again. We just cant offer the things he wants if thats the case. The Lakers make a ton of sense for him if it’s the media, marketing he wants. Luka and Giannis could form a dynasty.

[Wiltside]

I'm praying they can make a package for Giannis centered around Herro work, it solves so many problems.

I don't think Herro is the cause of all of the team's problems, but I do think we're using him wrong (he's got to be a point guard to minimize the stress he puts on your defense), and I'm not even sure re-signing him at a lower price is still guaranteed to be worth it, if he continues to be misused and remains injury prone. That's assuming you get the rebate, he can still walk if someone is stupid enough to give him 50 per.

But if you can pull this deal off, and probably send Ware out too (since he's also being wasted and Bucks will want prospects along with picks), now you are in a situation where Spo has to start Bam and Giannis together (he can't possibly get away with what he's doing with Bam/Ware), and that combo should work fine. Bam is slightly better at the 4 IMO, but next to Giannis it doesn't matter because Giannis can defend centers but also play like a small forward on offense, minus the shooting. Then with Wiggins next to them, you still have a pretty insane frontline in terms of length/size, not as nuts as Giannis/Bam/Ware but arguably a better fit with Wiggins being a more reliable shooter than Ware, and more overall defensive versatility with those 3.

Actually that frontline would be insane defensively because each guy can defend at least one position above and below the position they play. Meaning it doesn't matter if Davion can only guard point guards and Powell can only guard other guards, because your frontline is basically the X-Men.

It also justifies the overuse of Davion, who fits a lot more on that squad. Davion's suspect spotup shooting is going to hurt a bit more, so we'll see, but still.

Mitchell
Powell
Wiggins
Adebayo
Giannis (sorry I'll learn to spell his last name if he comes here)

That is the best starting 5 in the east and would at least threaten OKC. It even possibly justifies finding ways to re-sign Powell/Wiggins, if this ends up being a championship core. Getting ahead of myself with that one though.

I agree on most of your points above here TH. If Spo isn't going to commit to Bam/Ware, then deal Ware while he still has significant value. He's one of the better young prospects in the league that could be attainable for another squad. He'd be a great get for Milwaukee. Herro is the hometown kid who could sell jerseys and put up buckets. Really, we'd need the league to stop screwing us so we can add in our picks and the Rozier contract.

I'd expect a deal to be something like Tyler Herro, Kelel Ware, Jaime Jaquez, Terry Rozier (waived) and a number of picks and swaps. Incoming could be Giannis, Thanasis, and maybe Portis or somebody.

Mitchell / Smith / Jakucionis
Powell / Fontecchio
Wiggins / Larsson
Giannis / Jovic / Keshad / Thanasis
Adebayo / Portis

I think we'd need to sign some vet guards/wings to give us more depth (Alec Burks reunion?), but that's a pretty solid squad.

Big question is whether New York or someone bites the bullet and throws KAT into the mix, and how Milwaukee views him. He's obviously a better play right now than anyone we can offer, but the Knicks don't have many picks to give. Maybe they could ontrade KAT to someone for the picks haul they want though. Who knows what MIL prioritises if Giannis truly asks out.

One thing of note, Thanasis can't be dealt until the 15th December, and you'd have to assume that they are a package deal whatever happens. Maybe we'll find out soon enough.

Unfortunately there is no chance in hell they touch that package. Herro doesnt have that value and worse is not under contract, he just has one year on his deal. I know we all want lopsided deals on our favor but that just wont happen here. The other thing to consider is does Giannis even want to come here? He wanted to come here before he won a ring, his preferred destination of NY is telling. He wants the media, the exposure, the marketing love etc in contrast to actually wanting to win again. We just cant offer the things he wants if thats the case. The Lakers make a ton of sense for him if it’s the media, marketing he wants. Luka and Giannis could form a dynasty.

Herro not being under contract is hardly a big barrier. They'll extend him, and he'll likely agree. His bird rights will carry over and they'll be able to offer him the most money rather than going into UFA.

Herro isn't a superstar, but he's an All-Star calibre guard despite his limitations. Averaging 23/5/2 on 50/40/90 splits.

Ware is probably the bigger prize for them, as he's a cost controlled asset and has a high ceiling if it all comes together. He'd get every chance in Milwaukee to flourish.

Jaquez also has value, either as a starting 3 or a 6MOY contender.

As for Giannis' intentions, only he knows that. We've been heavily into him in years past, are a historically successful organisation with a highly rated front office, in a warm weather state with no state income tax. I'd say all of that would be attractive to him.

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[eddieheatfan]

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Get Terry Rozier off my team, man.

could be a long season

for the record giannis is not coming here. he could end up being a franchise player in dallas or even the fakers. cabron wants to retire in glory

luka
cabron
giannis that could be a two punch and half duo. cabron is a shadow of himself these days

I know it is the Fakers, and they have power around the league, but do they have the assets to make this trade and keep Cabron and Luka?

they didnt got luka basically for free?

[SA37]

Spoiler:

I'm praying they can make a package for Giannis centered around Herro work, it solves so many problems.

I don't think Herro is the cause of all of the team's problems, but I do think we're using him wrong (he's got to be a point guard to minimize the stress he puts on your defense), and I'm not even sure re-signing him at a lower price is still guaranteed to be worth it, if he continues to be misused and remains injury prone. That's assuming you get the rebate, he can still walk if someone is stupid enough to give him 50 per.

But if you can pull this deal off, and probably send Ware out too (since he's also being wasted and Bucks will want prospects along with picks), now you are in a situation where Spo has to start Bam and Giannis together (he can't possibly get away with what he's doing with Bam/Ware), and that combo should work fine. Bam is slightly better at the 4 IMO, but next to Giannis it doesn't matter because Giannis can defend centers but also play like a small forward on offense, minus the shooting. Then with Wiggins next to them, you still have a pretty insane frontline in terms of length/size, not as nuts as Giannis/Bam/Ware but arguably a better fit with Wiggins being a more reliable shooter than Ware, and more overall defensive versatility with those 3.

Actually that frontline would be insane defensively because each guy can defend at least one position above and below the position they play. Meaning it doesn't matter if Davion can only guard point guards and Powell can only guard other guards, because your frontline is basically the X-Men.

It also justifies the overuse of Davion, who fits a lot more on that squad. Davion's suspect spotup shooting is going to hurt a bit more, so we'll see, but still.

Mitchell
Powell
Wiggins
Adebayo
Giannis (sorry I'll learn to spell his last name if he comes here)

That is the best starting 5 in the east and would at least threaten OKC. It even possibly justifies finding ways to re-sign Powell/Wiggins, if this ends up being a championship core. Getting ahead of myself with that one though.

I'd expect a deal to be something like Tyler Herro, Kelel Ware, Jaime Jaquez, Terry Rozier (waived) and a number of picks and swaps. Incoming could be Giannis, Thanasis, and maybe Portis or somebody.....

Big question is whether New York or someone bites the bullet and throws KAT into the mix, and how Milwaukee views him. He's obviously a better play right now than anyone we can offer, but the Knicks don't have many picks to give. Maybe they could ontrade KAT to someone for the picks haul they want though. Who knows what MIL prioritises if Giannis truly asks out.

I think both Miami and New York need 3rd teams and Giannis demanding to go to either place.

KAT and Ware play the same position as Turner, and it's questionable you could play either pairing at the same time. With regards to Herro, is Milwaukee going to want assurances it can get a commitment from Herro? Does Milwaukee even want to pay Herro the money he presumably wants (~$150-$180M over 4 years)? Plus, Miami is currently limited to offering 2 1sts and NY is in an even worse situation:

The Knicks can no longer trade any of their own first-round picks, only swaps and one first-rounder from the Washington Wizards that is top-eight protected this year and converts to second-round picks if not conveyed.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47196967/giannis-trade-guide-five-bucks-deals-alter-nba-title-race#nyk

[Wiltside]

I think both Miami and New York need 3rd teams and Giannis demanding to go to either place.

KAT and Ware play the same position as Turner, and it's questionable you could play either pairing at the same time. With regards to Herro, is Milwaukee going to want assurances it can get a commitment from Herro? Does Milwaukee even want to pay Herro the money he presumably wants (~$150-$180M over 4 years)? Plus, Miami is currently limited to offering 2 1sts and NY is in an even worse situation:

The Knicks can no longer trade any of their own first-round picks, only swaps and one first-rounder from the Washington Wizards that is top-eight protected this year and converts to second-round picks if not conveyed.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47196967/giannis-trade-guide-five-bucks-deals-alter-nba-title-race#nyk

Maybe they need 3rd teams, or maybe the Bucks onsend Turner to a contender for a FRP and expirings to get another asset and open the door fully for Ware to start and play big minutes.

Turner's trade eligibility opens up from the 14th December. I agree that you can't play him and Ware together, and if you're rebuilding, you move the guy turning 30 in March. Someone would offer something of value for a floor spacing big who can defend the rim.

The Knicks essentially having no FRP's to trade is a pretty large barrier to a deal for a rebuilding squad, I would think.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think both Miami and New York need 3rd teams and Giannis demanding to go to either place.

KAT and Ware play the same position as Turner, and it's questionable you could play either pairing at the same time. With regards to Herro, is Milwaukee going to want assurances it can get a commitment from Herro? Does Milwaukee even want to pay Herro the money he presumably wants (~$150-$180M over 4 years)? Plus, Miami is currently limited to offering 2 1sts and NY is in an even worse situation:



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47196967/giannis-trade-guide-five-bucks-deals-alter-nba-title-race#nyk

Maybe they need 3rd teams, or maybe the Bucks onsend Turner to a contender for a FRP and expirings to get another asset and open the door fully for Ware to start and play big minutes.

Turner's trade eligibility opens up from the 14th December. I agree that you can't play him and Ware together, and if you're rebuilding, you move the guy turning 30 in March. Someone would offer something of value for a floor spacing big who can defend the rim.

The Knicks essentially having no FRP's to trade is a pretty large barrier to a deal for a rebuilding squad, I would think.

If the bucks are trading giannis, turner is also on his way out for assets.

They would have no need for guys like Kat, wiggins, powell, etc.. (unless flipped to another team) because they would be in a full rebuild and asset acquisition mode.

Ware is the prize. If the bucks think he's got the potential to be worth building around, they probably take their swing. Herro is just a salary filler, yet young enough to be a bridge.

If the rozier situation is unresolved, wiggins needs to go in the deal and flipped to a 3rd team for someone younger or possibly a pick.

[Crazy-Canuck]

In 3 days, another roster spot opens. Hopefully they can target a big, so spo can fully commit to no longer playing 3 guards.

Herro and powell getting SF minutes in a cup game was nutz.

[marson]

Anyone noticed ever since the Giannis new broke out, the bench production dipped tremendously?

Jaquez looking like a sophomore player again, Ware looks demotivated, Simon suddenly forget how to shoot, Jovic forgot to play basketball.

Dudes are tanking their value very hard

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[K N U C K L E S]

...are a historically successful organisation with a highly rated front office, in a warm weather state with no state income tax. I'd say all of that would be attractive to him.

And 1'd.