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What if Derrick Rose did not got to the final 4? Would everyone be so high on him.I remmmber that people liked him but once he got to the final 4 he blew up! What if he never gets there and just shows up to the combine, Would he still be the overall number 1 pick? I know there is many tread but i would love to see what most say about this. Most fans only think about what have you done for me latley, Ala Dwyane Wade. Would we be as high on him, because honestly the couple of people i talk to say No. They say that he was good, but he became great because of his tourney run.

I was high on Rose before the tournament and knew him before I heard about Beasley.

It was due to this mix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA

First thought that entered my mind when I saw him was Wade on steroids. I was amazed by his quickness and athleticism.

dflash3 wrote:It was due to this mix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA

First thought that entered my mind when I saw him was Wade on steroids. I was amazed by his quickness and athleticism.

Wade on Steroids? You really think he will be better then Wade? I thought he was a good player but not as great as many think. I saw him as a young steve francis or Deron williams but Dwyane Wade? I watch alot of basketball and i think some people are starting to overrate Rose.

Similar thing happened with Wade before the draft; after a stellar tournament, he locked himself into being the best pick after the obvious 4. This year, however, there aren't two other guaranteed superstar players (Melo and Lebron). Beasley is three inches shorter than Bosh, but he also put up better numbers than Bosh did in his freshman year.

It's easy to imagine that there would have been a Bosh/Wade debate similar to the current Rose/Beasley one if Bron and Melo weren't around.

(Let us pass over the spectre of Darko in silence.)

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Wade on Steroids? You really think he will be better then Wade? I thought he was a good player but not as great as many think. I saw him as a young steve francis or Deron williams but Dwyane Wade? I watch alot of basketball and i think some people are starting to overrate Rose.

I'm just talking about the speed and leaping ability silly Not domination. Come on this is a Wade fan your talking to I'm not dumb. I think...

Plus, its highschoolers that he is schooling in the mix and I'm just giving the first impressions I had about him before I saw him play in the tournament or any college games for that matter.

Gottacha Flash. I think the Wade-Bosh comparions is right on but Wade was alot Better then Rose. Wade was the main player and took his team all the way, Memphis was a top 10 team with out Rose. I just dont understand how Rose went from top 5 before tourney and Beasley as lock top overall to Beasley going 2-3 and Rose becoming the next big thing.

I'm hoping we take Beasley. I think Beasley > Rose...but the fact (or at least perception) that great PG are harder to find is the reason that Rose would be taken #1 over all. I think it would be a mistake to pick "need" over BPA, especially when the other player would be a huge upgrade as well.

Chris Paul's season and playoffs probably helped Rose move up also.

Miami's Finest wrote:Chris Paul's season and playoffs probably helped Rose move up also.

No doubt.

Paul helped but there games are nothing similar which is confusing. I think the Rose hype is great because we get Beasley that way.

What i wonder is if you put Mayo on Roses team would he get the same hype or more and what type of hype would Rose get

^People tend to forget that Paul had success because he has two solid post players with David West and Tyson Chandler on his team. I doubt the team would have had much success playing with a good sg instead of those two bigs.

The same goes for Dwill with him playing besides Carlos Boozer.

While a huge emphasis has been made on pgs having a huge impact on their teams people tend to forget that its the inside outside combination that has allowed teams to succeed.

However, I wouldn't be opposed to the Heat getting Rose, because it would be easier for them to fill the PF spot than the PG spot with Boozer and Brand being possible candidates.

I was going for Rose before the tournament. The thing about the tournament, it just made it much easier. But the thing why I had Rose before the tournament at one, I saw some intricacies in Rose's game, that the casual onlooker just doesn't see, things that just can't be taught, some players have them, some just don't.

The times I saw Beasley, I saw his elimination game. Wasn't impressed and just looked small for actual hype surrounding him about being a BEAST, size wise. I saw also couple halfs of some of his others games. Just didn't do it, especially when I thought about how much different College and the NBA are. It seem like it was more bad competition than anything at times.

But I had Rose at one for a bit.

Beasley had a shot though, but he just never completely awed me, especially when I was thinking of him playing vs Duncan, K.G in the context of the NBA.

I don't think Beasley would play against a Duncan/KG. I think we would need to get a strong tall defensive minded center if we take Beasley. Depending on the matchup they will switch and adjust.

The ideal player for me would be Tyson Chandler (he can opt out in 2010) because of his size. I love Emeka Okafor for that spot by I give Chandler the edge because given Beasley's height, our front court might be a bit too small with Okafor/Beasley. However if there is any way to get Okafor then I would obviously do it gladly. You put Okafor in the post to defend, Beasley scoring from the 4, a good all around 3, Wade, and a good passing pg that can create assists and has an accurate outside shot and we're golden. Now how we get those guys I have no idea.

CoolD wrote:I was going for Rose before the tournament. The thing about the tournament, it just made it much easier. But the thing why I had Rose before the tournament at one, I saw some intricacies in Rose's game, that the casual onlooker just doesn't see, things that just can't be taught, some players have them, some just don't.

The times I saw Beasley, I saw his elimination game. Wasn't impressed and just looked small for actual hype surrounding him about being a BEAST, size wise. I saw also couple halfs of some of his others games. Just didn't do it, especially when I thought about how much different College and the NBA are. It seem like it was more bad competition than anything at times.

But I had Rose at one for a bit.

Beasley had a shot though, but he just never completely awed me, especially when I was thinking of him playing vs Duncan, K.G in the context of the NBA.

You don't like Beasley? wow thats so surprising... you try to bash him everyday. Beasley played some very good competition and did amazingly well. He has dominated at every level he has played, high school, Team USA, McDonalds AA MVP, College. I'm glad you're just a super biased fan and not a real scout... who don't agree with anything you said. Beasley didn't have the luxury of playing on a super talented team, Rose put up only 4 pts and 4 ast (4 ast is his average thou... so he's not a Chris Paul type) in the Conference USA finals but his team still won. Beasley will be one of the most versatile PF's in the NBA, and I really hope Chicago passes on him so we can pair him with Wade.

Chris Paul averaged 6 dimes per in his college career, Deron Williams about the same. Not saying Rose is as good as either, just saying you can't tell he's not a great assists guy from his college stats.

It's also clear that Williams would have averaged more if all the plays ran through him--but he had Dee Brown and Luther Head--and Rose would have been called on to do more if he didn't have 3 other more experienced future nba players on his team.

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You don't like Beasley? wow thats so surprising... you try to bash him everyday. Beasley played some very good competition and did amazingly well. He has dominated at every level he has played, high school, Team USA, McDonalds AA MVP, College. I'm glad you're just a super biased fan and not a real scout... who don't agree with anything you said. Beasley didn't have the luxury of playing on a super talented team, Rose put up only 4 pts and 4 ast (4 ast is his average thou... so he's not a Chris Paul type) in the Conference USA finals but his team still won. Beasley will be one of the most versatile PF's in the NBA, and I really hope Chicago passes on him so we can pair him with Wade.

Beasley played some very good competition

Vs College duds, good competition in College, is nothing like NBA pro competition.

He has dominated at every level he has played, high school, Team USA, McDonalds AA MVP, College

Is nothing like the NBA

Beasley didn't have the luxury of playing on a super talented team

If he was so talented in highschool, he could of gone to any College he wanted, yes he had the luxury, he just decided to go to a sorry team to pad his stats, so he would have cheerleaders like you arguing about why he should be number one, based on his stats.

Rose put up only 4 pts and 4 ast

Rose played less minutes, in the tournament, he had over 6 assist, you would be suprised how the NBA rules will help his overall game considering the speed he has.

Beasley will be one of the most versatile PF's in the NBA,

He might be versatile in offense. but his 6 7 size will hurt him in defense. I also rather have a dominant player, over a versatile player.

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He might be versatile in offense. but his 6 7 size will hurt him in defense. I also rather have a dominant player, over a versatile player.

Who was more dominant in college and it wasn't close. Beasley's amazing versatility is what makes him dominant. Beasley has a 8'11' standing reach (which is what is important for rebounding, defense) the same as Al Horford who played C, with similar size and strength #'s. To compliment Wade, we need a post presence, a playmaker and someone that can shoot (we know that's not Rose), Beasley does all of that. And in case you didn't know we got the #2 pick so continuing to knock Beasley is a waste of time, we get whoever falls and lets hope it's Beasley.

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Who was more dominant in college and it wasn't close. Beasley's amazing versatility is what makes him dominant. Beasley has a 8'11' standing reach (which is what is important for rebounding, defense) the same as Al Horford who played C, with similar size and strength #'s. To compliment Wade, we need a post presence, a playmaker and someone that can shoot (we know that's not Rose), Beasley does all of that. And in case you didn't know we got the #2 pick so continuing to knock Beasley is a waste of time, we get whoever falls and lets hope it's Beasley.

We don't know how both will play in the NBA.

Putting college stats its irrelevant. If you compared Michael Jordan stats, vs Kurt Thomas. You would think Kurt Thomas was going to be the way better pro.

Riley might trade the pick, if we don't land Rose. We have more than one option.

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We don't know how both will play in the NBA.

Putting college stats its irrelevant. If you compared Michael Jordan stats, vs Kurt Thomas. You would think Kurt Thomas was going to be the way better pro.

What these guys showed in college and their ability is the best indication we have. Beasley dominated and his skills are second to none in this draft.

Riley might trade the pick, if we don't land Rose. We have more than one option.

So Riley told you he would keep the pick if it's Rose but consider moving it if it's Beasley? Riley never lets out his true intentions, and esp. not to Chad Ford.

Chad Ford hates Pat Riley and the Heat