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What PGs are you guys imagining we invest in, either in a trade or via free agency? We obviously have high standards, have a lot of money to spend between Marion's huge expiring contract or 09 or 10 free agencies with loads of cap space.

If anything this is a reference for what's out there since this is a big issue. Who should be our PG of the future? It's obviously an important position. It's getting all the hype right now. 3 of the first 4 picks in the draft were points, and we didn't end up with one of them, hence subtle controversy surrounding our draft.

If Wade would just be a full-time point guard this wouldn't be an issue. I suppose he's more effective at SG and we want to appease him, so our other options are Banks who I'd imagine we try to trade so we can clear more cap room in 09 or 10, and Chalmers who I love, but isn't the whole answer at PG. So assuming those things, and knowing the Heat/Riley has high standards, we need to take a hard look at what's out there PG-wise.

Guys I am not including are rookies, the league's 3 untouchables (Parker, Paul and D. Williams), and Smush Parker.

I don't think we should look at guys in these categories---

-Top couple of echelons, but getting older (pushing 30 or beyond), Nash, Billups, Kidd, Davis, Bibby, Miller, Terry

-Below them, getting older types who aren't upper echelon, at least not anymore, Fisher, Alston, D. Jones, Claxton, James, Stoudamire, Marbury, Francis, Knight, J. Williams Daniels, Jackson, Boykins, Snow, Johnson, Ollie

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That leaves us with the guys we should be looking at more closely

-Young and unproven
Ma. Williams
Head
S. Stoudamire
Rodriguez
Ivey
Conley
Law
Stuckey
Crittenton
Brooks
Lowry

-These guys are younger, many of them inconsistent, some of them were involved in recent trades which makes them less likely to be obtained, some are guys who could be in one of the above categories but are just younger or whose untouchability is in question because of free agency overtures; many are guys whose values just aren't known (and I ask the question, how good are they?) obviously a huge range here, but this is where we should look for our next PG

Ford, just traded
Ellis, hmmmm
Calderon, Raptors appear committed to him
Arenas, upper echelon but interested in free agency supposedly; he'd obviously be amazing next to Wade
M. Williams, really? would we go there again?
Barbosa, always thought of him as kinda untouchable, but maybe not for the right price
Harris, was recently traded
Rondo, almost definitely untouchable, but not as much as Paul, et al.
Udrih, looks like Kings are committed to him, also not sure how good he is
Gibson, how good is he really?
Ridnour, how good is he really?
Pargo, I've always liked him, but starting caliber?
Hinrich, would we bail out the Bulls?
Duhon, hmmmm
Jack, seems all around decent, but is that good enough?
Tinsley, one year this guy is the next great PG, and the next he's forgotten
Felton, not sure how committed the Bobcats are to him considering they just drafted a PG with Brook Lopez on the table
Blake, is he really what we want in a PG? maybe.
Telfair, I guess being Marbury's cousin isn't a good thing
West, not a huge fan of him
Livingston, injured but maybe healed at this point
Watson, probably not a long-term solution
Navarro

Too short?
-Nelson
-Robinson

-Telfair just doesn't have what it takes to compete in the NBA. If he had went to college & developed a jumpshot, he'd be a special player.
-Not a fan of Delonte West
-Can't remember the last time Livingston even played a game
-I like Hinrich but I'm not sure if his contract/what he wants out of a contract is appealing to the Heat.
-Rondo wouldn't work even if he was available. Not unless he developed a consistent jumper quickly. Solid defense but that's really all he offers IMO.
-Navarro is headed back to Spain and I don't think he'll be coming back to the NBA anytime soon.
-Harris has a nice game. Be interested to what we'd have to give up for him. If he was a free-agent, I could see a signing.
-Gibson can shoot the 3 but he offers nothing on defense. Where as Chalmers can shoot the 3 and has solid defense.
-Mo Williams? Haha. I don't think we're going there again.
-Robinson? As in Nate Robinson? He's the last type of point guard we need on the team.

-Blake is probably the most appealing to me. The Blazers have a lot of young talent. They may be looking to try clear some of the roster space for youngins like Bayless.

And yes, I'm bored.

love Mo Williams..i think hes a great fit here...same with Hinrich

Gibson would be like Damon Jones tenure here, which is not exactly a bad thing.

Some of the guys you listed -- like Ellis, Gibson, Pargo and Barbosa are really best suited to be shooting guards, not PGs.

Hinrich and Mo Williams would be good fits, but both also recently signed contract extensions that might be too large for the Heat brass to want to take on, even though neither contract is horrible

Hinrich has 4 years left on his front-loaded deal: $10 million (2008-09), $9.5 mil (2009-10); $9 mil (2010-11); $8 mil (2011-12)

Williams has 5 years left on his deal (5th yr is player option): $8.4 mil (2008-09); $8.9 mil (2009-10);
$9.3 mil (2010-11); $8.5 mil (2011-12); $8.5 mil player option (2012-13)

I like Hinrich next to Wade, but I don't know what it would take to get him. If the price was Haslem I'd have to do it. I have a feeling they'd want more than that.

Problem with the Bulls is they have good but not great talent everywhere (with the exception of Rose at PG and their complete lack of anything at C). No one is gonna trade a competent C for Hinrich and no one is gonna give up great talent for him. Maybe they could get back a future pick and expiring but we don't have that to offer.

hinrich, mo, gibson, conley, stuckey, crittenton, fisher, billups or skip to my lou fits good for miami imo.

Mike James?

I like Hinrich, Skip(he played well with Wade).

Chalmers is already a good reserve and potential starter once he gets some NBA experience, so I don't want anyone that isn't as good as he is. He should be as good as Gibson but with more athleticism and defense.

I agree with the majority, I like Mo-WIll and Hinrich the best. I would not give up Haslem for Hinrich. But what about Banks and Blount. Both are decent and fill backup PG and backup C nicely for Chicago, with much friendlier contracts.

I don't know what Mo-WIll is valued at. Maybe Banks + Wright?

Haslem for Hinrich in a heartbeat. Don't even question it from a fit, skill and team balance perspective. Only finances would make me think twice. If we did Haslem for Hinrich we would only have the C spot to fill. Perhaps Marion and something gets us that at the deadline?

Otherwise Mo-Will is next best fit and again, the above would apply.

I think we overrate Haslem on this board. There, I said it.

I think Haslem has been an excellent piece and will always be a good piece because he goes out and gives it his all every time.

However Hinrich for Haslem in a second.

Hinrich
Wade
Marion
Beasley

wow

Thing is we would have to throw out something else too I would think. Perhaps Wright?

Is this possible?

Hinrich, Banks, Chalmers/Quinn
Wade, Davis
Marion, Pietrus (MLE)
Beasley/Marion
Zo/Blount

I would be very, very excited by that team.

I agree with everyone else, Hinrich would be the best fit.

But he is not the only piece to the puzzle. We would still need a strong defending, three point shooting SF and a strong rebounding, solid help defense C.

Anyone who thinks having Zo start at C is possible is dreaming. The guy can play 20 mins a game max.

Also, I disagree with anyone who thinks Marion is our long term solution at SF. The guy will want too long of a contract, for too much money, and we can get more value by trading him than we can by keeping him. Like say...Josh Howard and Diop come trade deadline for Marion?

Hinrich
Wade
Howard
Beasley
Diop

Now there's a solid lineup.

Haven't we learnt by now that each season is a different proposition?

I just think people are looking at this team to contend for a championship and it isn't going to happen. Nor do I think we should be unloading simply for a "shot at" some FAs. With Wade and Beasley we should have the nucleus of a very good team for the next 6-7 years, we simply need to tinker around the edges and try and get it right within two years so the team can grow a little and then compete whilst Wade is in his prime.

There's been rumors about David Lee for Raymond Felton

I feel that David Lee and Udonis Haslem are very similiar so why not send Udonis and maybe a sweetner (Cook?) to swing us Felton and then sign Diop with the MLE.

Raymond Felton/Mario Chalmers
Dwayne Wade/Ricky Davis
Shawn Marion/Dorell Wright/Ricky Davis
Michael Beasley/Shawn Marion/Stephane Lasme
Desagnia Diop/Alonzo Mourning

Very solid team just about everywhere. My only concern is PF. But Beasley can definitely start and if Marion played 15-20 minutes at both positions (SF and PF). Ricky Davis and Dorell Wright could definitely make up for the gap at SF.

^ Why would we want Felton? What would he give us? The guy can't shoot and the Bobcats are looking for another PG because Felton can't deliver.

And do we really have to have Davis come back?

What would Felton give us? Are you serious?

How about damn good starting point guard. He doesn't fit on the Cats as he's more a half-court oriented point rather than an open style. But he'd fit just fine playing aside Wade, Beasley etc.

BFRESH44 wrote:What would Felton give us? Are you serious?

How about damn good starting point guard. He doesn't fit on the Cats as he's more a half-court oriented point rather than an open style. But he'd fit just fine playing aside Wade, Beasley etc.

A damn good starting point guard....can you elaborate a bit more?

The guy has a .413 fg % and a .280 3 pt % so he certainly wouldn't be bringing us three point shooting, an attribute which we need from a PG to open the floor up for Wade.

Yes, the guy is a decent defender, good passer, and is thought of highly by Bobcats fans, but the guy has not proven himself to be a winner. He's just an alright pg on a bad team. He would not help us win a championship. There's a reason the Bobcats drafted a PG and tried to acquired TJ Ford this year, Felton can't cut it, even on the Bobcats.

Hinrich would be by FAR the best overall PG to get for the Heat. He is actually very similar to Chalmers in many ways. Good size for a PG, very good defender, and at one time was a good offensive shooter from the outside, but he did have a bad year shooting this past season. None the less he is very active on both ends of the court. Perfect compliment for Wade and a excellent PG duo with Chalmers (another KU product).