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Magic pursue point guard Williams?

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Magic pursue point guard Williams? 

Post#1 » by Hoops23 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:38 pm

From Florida Today
In order to add Williams, the former University of Florida star and Miami Heat point guard, the Magic might have to unload either power forward Brian Cook or shooting guards Keith Bogans or J.J. Redick.

With the Magics MLE going to Pietrus, then its going to be S & T or signing J-Will for a minimum to add his services.

What if the Magic ask for a S & T, are you guys willing to do a trade for Arroyo and Foyle?
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Post#2 » by HIF » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:45 pm

Redick would do
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Post#3 » by TheGreatPooter » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:49 pm

gawd damn jwill sux at shooting
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Post#4 » by HeatInOhio » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:54 pm

No thanks. I wouldn't mind signing and trading J-Will (don't want him back at all so if we can get something for him, great) but the Magic don't have anything appealing on the lower end of their roster. find another team to work a decent reserve big man for him...
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Post#5 » by SJ2100 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:59 pm

I would deal for Redick too. The guy is a stud from 3, and while he can't do much else, he would provide so much spacing for Wade and Beasley when he is on the floor. Lineups featuring Wade at PG and Redick at SG would absolutely work, and provide so much spacing if Jones was at SF and Beasley at PF. Doubt ORL gives him away that cheaply, though.
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Post#6 » by HeatInOhio » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:05 pm

TheGreatPooter wrote:gawd damn jwill sux at shooting



He sucks at just about everything. Can't play a lick of defense, can't stay healthy, makes bad fast break decisions frequently (that pull up 3 on the fast break which goes in 10% of the time.. yea you know), shoots a low percentage etc... etc... thank goodness he's moving on. He's washed up.
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Post#7 » by Lane1974 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:24 pm

they won't trade Redick to us of all teams, especially for just only J-Will
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Post#8 » by Wade-GOAT » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:55 pm

Jason Williams for Reddick seems about right. They both suck horribly at everything except one thing. J-Will can run the point pretty solidly and Reddick can shoot the 3 and do nothing else well. Heat fans might be overrating Reddick. Magic fans I know absolutely despise the guy and his game
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Post#9 » by LEIF » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:01 pm

I think JWill for Reddick is a pretty fair deal and probably has some likelihood of actually happening, salaries would about match if JWill got around the LLE from Orlando.

Wade was quoted as saying we are trying to add "one more" shooter to our team, maybe JJ is it
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Post#10 » by Lane1974 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:01 pm

only going by the Magic's GM always saying Redick is off the table, he's valuable, he won't be dealt, over the last couple of years

truer fact is the guy can't get playing time, not under SVG nor the prior regime... so we MAY be overrating him
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Post#11 » by HeatSince88 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:05 pm

Oops, put my response to this in the free agency thread. Silly me! Here goes ..

Orlando is said to have "now turned their focus" to signing J-Will.
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.d ... 002/SPORTS

Thats' actually good news for us ... since Orlando already used their MLE on Pietrus, it opens up the possibility of a sign-and-trade. And since we already used our MLE, we need to be creative in order to add other pieces to our depth.


Possible pieces in that salary range:

- K. Dooling
- C. Arroyo
- K. Bogans
- JJ Reddick

I wouldn't mind any of them in a J-Will sign-and-trade.
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Post#12 » by DayofMourning » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:49 pm

TheGreatPooter wrote:gawd damn jwill sux at shooting


LOL
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Post#13 » by Cloud765 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:57 pm

I'll take D. Howard straight up for J. Will, Magic might have to sweeten the deal with Hedo though... maybe some firsts. :wink:
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Post#14 » by daniel3 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:31 pm

S&T for Jwill is silly, just wait it out until the end. He'll sign for minimum.
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Post#15 » by DayofMourning » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:33 pm

daniel3 wrote:S&T for Jwill is silly, just wait it out until the end. He'll sign for minimum.


I agree. I don't even think of JWill as a trade chip. Miami isn't going to resign him. Orlando can take it easy and sign him later.
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Post#16 » by HeatSince88 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:07 pm

A sign-and-trade is a way for Orlando to fill a need while adding zero salary, or even subtracting salary. Whereas giving J-Will the LLE or minimum adds what, $1 mill to $1.9 mill to their payroll? A couple mill doesn't seem like a big deal, but it is if it's YOUR couple mill it's a big deal, and it also puts them closer to the luxury tax.

Additionally, a sign-and-trade is also a way to unload someone who voices displeasure over PT and thus causes disharmony in the locker room. That's been Reddick's story so far, but with Peitrus and C-Lee added, you might be able to add Bogans to that list. He opted-in to stay there perhaps thinking he has a role, but now he's a lame duck who won't get minutes heading into a free agency year.

So for instance, trading Reddick for J-Will (signed to a similar salary) fills their need for an orchestrating PG, adds ZERO payroll for them, and rids themselves of a potential distraction. Plus, and this is always underrated, your making powerful agents happy by accomodating their clients wishes both ways, and your owner happy by not adding $1.9 mill in payroll unecessarily.

Whereas "waiting and signing J-Will for the LLE" adds $1.9 mill to the Magic's payroll and does nothing to unload the contract of guys who want out and will complian about it (Reddick, maybe Bogans). hat's also at play is that several other teams have reportedly expressed interest in J-Will ... Memphis and Denver come to mind ... so waiting around for a bargain means you'll probably lose out.

MANY reasons for Orlando to pursue a sign-and-trade if JWill's a guy they're targeting.
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Post#17 » by Wade2k6 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:42 pm

Thank god he isn't coming back. Don't want him. The one play i will always remember from him is that fastbreak where it was 3-4 on 1 against the Lakers when he pulled up from 3 and completely missed the shot.
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Post#18 » by HeatSince88 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:47 pm

Yep, 4-on-1.

I couldn't believe my eyes - I had to rewind the DVR a couple times just to verify.

Getting him out of Miami and to Orlando helps us twice over. Makes us better, them worse. Hey, maybe we can interest them in Ricky too while we're at it?
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Post#19 » by GameTime_3 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:52 pm

4 on 1 fast break , Iwanted to kill him! Plz Orlando, sign the guy and start him. Howard is a beast but the one thing that could stop him is jason williams!!!
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Post#20 » by GameTime_3 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:52 pm

4 on 1 fast break , Iwanted to kill him! Plz Orlando, sign the guy and start him. Howard is a beast but the one thing that could stop him is jason williams!!!

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