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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#181 » by tedbrogen » Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:21 pm

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Beasley is a legit bucket getter. AJ Green is not. Defensively they are both bad, but for different reasons. Beasley has a legit role. I'm not even sure there's any proof that AJ Green is an actual nba player let alone having a role.

If the question is Beasley or AJ Green? Give me Beasley 10/10 times.


Define, "legit bucket getter." He's a spot up shooter. Malik Beasley couldn't crack a playoff rotation last year and is on the minimum at 26 years old. There is nothing about that that screams "legit role."

I'm not sitting here advocating for Beasley to be sat on the bench, but the mere prospect of a minimum player being this head and shoulders above anyone guy just feels outrageous. And I don't think people realize how rare the volume and percentages that AJ Green shot last year in limited time actually are.


I could care less about Beasley playing to be clear. I'd actually prefer him not to play much. However he's scored 30, 20, 20, 18, 16 in 5/14 games. AJ Green has never scored above 15 in his 40+ game career. Again I'm not Malik Beasley fan but to think Green is even in the same stratosphere as Beasley as an offensive player is nuts. It is an outlier but his efficiency is nuts right now. You guys want to replace the guy who's doing what you want AJ Green to do. It makes no sense to me. I'd rather see arguments for Marjon or Dre because they bring vastly different skillsets then Beas or Green.

I think he's getting a plenty fair role. He's getting some burn and opportunity to prove he can be a contributor. Just like Dre, just like Marjon. Dre & Marjon are just much better options to me. Get rid of Beasley for all I care. I don't want AJ Green taking a single minute from the guard rotation when it counts though(unless he proves it). I don't want Beas either so free Dre or free Tyus Jones to the Bucks.


If you were the coach how would a player like AJ Green “earn it”?

You’ve said you wouldn’t give him a single minute of guard rotation time and have also dismissed his shotmaking in garbage time as not real minutes.

Basically, he can’t get minutes until he proves he can deliver in those non-existent minutes?
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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#182 » by TroyD92 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:57 pm

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TroyD92 wrote:
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Define, "legit bucket getter." He's a spot up shooter. Malik Beasley couldn't crack a playoff rotation last year and is on the minimum at 26 years old. There is nothing about that that screams "legit role."

I'm not sitting here advocating for Beasley to be sat on the bench, but the mere prospect of a minimum player being this head and shoulders above anyone guy just feels outrageous. And I don't think people realize how rare the volume and percentages that AJ Green shot last year in limited time actually are.


I could care less about Beasley playing to be clear. I'd actually prefer him not to play much. However he's scored 30, 20, 20, 18, 16 in 5/14 games. AJ Green has never scored above 15 in his 40+ game career. Again I'm not Malik Beasley fan but to think Green is even in the same stratosphere as Beasley as an offensive player is nuts. It is an outlier but his efficiency is nuts right now. You guys want to replace the guy who's doing what you want AJ Green to do. It makes no sense to me. I'd rather see arguments for Marjon or Dre because they bring vastly different skillsets then Beas or Green.

I think he's getting a plenty fair role. He's getting some burn and opportunity to prove he can be a contributor. Just like Dre, just like Marjon. Dre & Marjon are just much better options to me. Get rid of Beasley for all I care. I don't want AJ Green taking a single minute from the guard rotation when it counts though(unless he proves it). I don't want Beas either so free Dre or free Tyus Jones to the Bucks.


If you were the coach how would a player like AJ Green “earn it”?

You’ve said you wouldn’t give him a single minute of guard rotation time and have also dismissed his shotmaking in garbage time as not real minutes.

Basically, he can’t get minutes until he proves he can deliver in those non-existent minutes?


It’s not just garbage time though he’s getting some rotation minutes, but you’re right I don’t think he’s anything special. So I wouldn’t give him a single minute, but I’m not the coach. No idea how players get minutes in Griffins world, but this is a championship or bust team. AJ Green has a lot of work to do to sniff rotation minutes on a team like this. I don’t think Beasley should have been handed minutes, but apparently he’s doing something right in the teams eyes(47% from three?).
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Maybe if his name was Denise instead of Dennis.


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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#183 » by BigO » Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:50 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
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I could care less about Beasley playing to be clear. I'd actually prefer him not to play much. However he's scored 30, 20, 20, 18, 16 in 5/14 games. AJ Green has never scored above 15 in his 40+ game career. Again I'm not Malik Beasley fan but to think Green is even in the same stratosphere as Beasley as an offensive player is nuts. It is an outlier but his efficiency is nuts right now. You guys want to replace the guy who's doing what you want AJ Green to do. It makes no sense to me. I'd rather see arguments for Marjon or Dre because they bring vastly different skillsets then Beas or Green.

I think he's getting a plenty fair role. He's getting some burn and opportunity to prove he can be a contributor. Just like Dre, just like Marjon. Dre & Marjon are just much better options to me. Get rid of Beasley for all I care. I don't want AJ Green taking a single minute from the guard rotation when it counts though(unless he proves it). I don't want Beas either so free Dre or free Tyus Jones to the Bucks.


If you were the coach how would a player like AJ Green “earn it”?

You’ve said you wouldn’t give him a single minute of guard rotation time and have also dismissed his shotmaking in garbage time as not real minutes.

Basically, he can’t get minutes until he proves he can deliver in those non-existent minutes?


It’s not just garbage time though he’s getting some rotation minutes, but you’re right I don’t think he’s anything special. So I wouldn’t give him a single minute, but I’m not the coach. No idea how players get minutes in Griffins world, but this is a championship or bust team. AJ Green has a lot of work to do to sniff rotation minutes on a team like this. I don’t think Beasley should have been handed minutes, but apparently he’s doing something right in the teams eyes(47% from three?).


The Boston Celtics are a championship or bust team. Their first guy off the bench is Sam Hauser, a spot up shooter who can do nothing else. The Celtics have always valued shooting more than the Bucks. AJ Green has a role.
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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#184 » by tedbrogen » Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:04 pm

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I could care less about Beasley playing to be clear. I'd actually prefer him not to play much. However he's scored 30, 20, 20, 18, 16 in 5/14 games. AJ Green has never scored above 15 in his 40+ game career. Again I'm not Malik Beasley fan but to think Green is even in the same stratosphere as Beasley as an offensive player is nuts. It is an outlier but his efficiency is nuts right now. You guys want to replace the guy who's doing what you want AJ Green to do. It makes no sense to me. I'd rather see arguments for Marjon or Dre because they bring vastly different skillsets then Beas or Green.

I think he's getting a plenty fair role. He's getting some burn and opportunity to prove he can be a contributor. Just like Dre, just like Marjon. Dre & Marjon are just much better options to me. Get rid of Beasley for all I care. I don't want AJ Green taking a single minute from the guard rotation when it counts though(unless he proves it). I don't want Beas either so free Dre or free Tyus Jones to the Bucks.


If you were the coach how would a player like AJ Green “earn it”?

You’ve said you wouldn’t give him a single minute of guard rotation time and have also dismissed his shotmaking in garbage time as not real minutes.

Basically, he can’t get minutes until he proves he can deliver in those non-existent minutes?


It’s not just garbage time though he’s getting some rotation minutes, but you’re right I don’t think he’s anything special. So I wouldn’t give him a single minute, but I’m not the coach. No idea how players get minutes in Griffins world, but this is a championship or bust team. AJ Green has a lot of work to do to sniff rotation minutes on a team like this. I don’t think Beasley should have been handed minutes, but apparently he’s doing something right in the teams eyes(47% from three?).


Cam is shooting 53% from three, Jae 50%, Marjon 44%. It’s almost like Giannis and Dame’s gravity is creating wide open shots and it’s not just Beas cashing them in.

But we can move on because I asked how a player like AJ Green would earn minutes under your leadership as the Bucks head coach and you said, he wouldn’t. So you’ve made it clear there is nothing AJ Green could do to get minutes from you. Thus, there is no need to continue to discuss it as your mind is closed on this topic.

I assume you will still reply to get in the last word on this already concluded topic.
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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#185 » by TroyD92 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:05 pm

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TroyD92 wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
If you were the coach how would a player like AJ Green “earn it”?

You’ve said you wouldn’t give him a single minute of guard rotation time and have also dismissed his shotmaking in garbage time as not real minutes.

Basically, he can’t get minutes until he proves he can deliver in those non-existent minutes?


It’s not just garbage time though he’s getting some rotation minutes, but you’re right I don’t think he’s anything special. So I wouldn’t give him a single minute, but I’m not the coach. No idea how players get minutes in Griffins world, but this is a championship or bust team. AJ Green has a lot of work to do to sniff rotation minutes on a team like this. I don’t think Beasley should have been handed minutes, but apparently he’s doing something right in the teams eyes(47% from three?).


The Boston Celtics are a championship or bust team. Their first guy off the bench is Sam Hauser, a spot up shooter who can do nothing else. The Celtics have always valued shooting more than the Bucks. AJ Green has a role.


Setting up strawmen. Who the Celtics play is totally irrelevant.
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Kidd would have curb stomped him.

Maybe if his name was Denise instead of Dennis.


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Re: PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win 

Post#186 » by TroyD92 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:05 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
If you were the coach how would a player like AJ Green “earn it”?

You’ve said you wouldn’t give him a single minute of guard rotation time and have also dismissed his shotmaking in garbage time as not real minutes.

Basically, he can’t get minutes until he proves he can deliver in those non-existent minutes?


It’s not just garbage time though he’s getting some rotation minutes, but you’re right I don’t think he’s anything special. So I wouldn’t give him a single minute, but I’m not the coach. No idea how players get minutes in Griffins world, but this is a championship or bust team. AJ Green has a lot of work to do to sniff rotation minutes on a team like this. I don’t think Beasley should have been handed minutes, but apparently he’s doing something right in the teams eyes(47% from three?).


Cam is shooting 53% from three, Jae 50%, Marjon 44%. It’s almost like Giannis and Dame’s gravity is creating wide open shots and it’s not just Beas cashing them in.

But we can move on because I asked how a player like AJ Green would earn minutes under your leadership as the Bucks head coach and you said, he wouldn’t. So you’ve made it clear there is nothing AJ Green could do to get minutes from you. Thus, there is no need to continue to discuss it as your mind is closed on this topic.

I assume you will still reply to get in the last word on this already concluded topic.


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Kidd would have curb stomped him.

Maybe if his name was Denise instead of Dennis.


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