PG Cavs - Loss

[slos]

That was probably the best game from the Dame/Giannis combo. They seem to finally being able to build chemistry and that’s all that matters. Bring me now a healthy Middleton and this team is still a contender despite the bad coaching and the bad supporting cast. Big 3s can still win titles in the NBA.

Having said that obviously Horst need to help Dame/Giannis. Everyone should be on the table.

[mattg]

That was probably the best game from the Dame/Giannis combo. They seem to finally being able to build chemistry and that’s all that matters. Bring me now a healthy Middleton and this team is still a contender despite the bad coaching and the bad supporting cast. Big 3s can still win titles in the NBA.

Having said that obviously Horst need to help Dame/Giannis. Everyone should be on the table.

Definitely the best 2 man chemistry between Dame/Giannis. THey didn't step on each other's toes or get in the way, they managed to play off each other with some hand off action. If Giannis was just willing to actually set the screen instead of always slipping and like lazily walking into the post on side PnRs he'd get like 3 free dunks every game.

We need to acquire a player who can fill AJAX role, but isn't scared of layups (think Bruce Brown or something).

Then a dirty work big. Screen setter, defender, rebounder. Offensive skill not really important at all.

Those 2 things drastically can change the outlook for the team. Whether we can actually acquire them is another story though.

[stillgotgame]

Bobby has a -22.4 net rating this year lol. He is by miles the worst among the main rotation and literally 4th worst in the entire league among 20+ mpg players. Side note, Pat is 2nd worst in the rotation, which also matches the eye test. They **** sucked last year and they suck even harder this year, especially Bobby.

I'm in a weird spot with this team because there's a lot going wrong, but a lot could be fixed by simply having a passable NBA player taking up Bobby's minutes. It doesn't even need to be someone as good as healthy Khris, even just a mediocre player who will slightly give a **** on defense and stay out of the way on offense would be a godsend right now.

You can tell pretty quickly if bobby has it or not. If not give those minutes to prince since ajax is looking playable and let ajax take some of prince’s minutes at the 3. Aj green seems like the clear replacement for pat. Pat and Bobby’s really good play in the preseason hasnt carried over one bit

This.
Prince is a 4 not a 3. Play Ajax and AJ Green instead of Pat C and Prince's minutes at the 3.

[jute2003]

Get one big that's not an idiot and also has good feet. Convince Giannis that he is in fact a 7 foot monster. Find a wiley veteran role playing 2 or 3 that is competent, athletic and not 47 years old.


If they aren't named Damian or Giannis, they can be included in trade.

Giannis made this **** bed. He needs to own that and allow someone else to try to fix it. That means letting some of his boys go and also being coachable.

[WeMajor34]

Force feed Ajax backup big minutes whenever he’s just out there with Giannis or Brook. He just needs to cut out the stupid fouls and his over-aggressive defense. His offense is also an issue, but I’d rather play a raw and worse version of Ben Simmons than I would Bobby at this point.

Bobby is not an actual big. He’s a “big” who plays like Jamal Crawford-Lou Williams-etc. He’s only out there to score and he doesn’t play a lick of team defense. We’ve always known this about Bobby but at least a coach like Bud knew where to put him or when to bench him. He’s slowly sucking the life out of his minutes whenever he’s out there. I hope he’s gone by the deadline.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Force feed Ajax backup big minutes whenever he’s just out there with Giannis or Brook. He just needs to cut out the stupid fouls and his over-aggressive defense. His offense is also an issue, but I’d rather play a raw and worse version of Ben Simmons than I would Bobby at this point.

Bobby is not an actual big. He’s a “big” who plays like Jamal Crawford-Lou Williams-etc. He’s only out there to score and he doesn’t play a lick of team defense. We’ve always known this about Bobby but at least a coach like Bud knew where to put him or when to bench him. He’s slowly sucking the life out of his minutes whenever he’s out there. I hope he’s gone by the deadline.

yep... bobby is another prime example of why bud was the guy. he knew and wasnt afraid to hide him on the end of the bench.

i also think that benching portis for coasting and dipping around made him a better player when he did play. hes the worst version hes been in the league right now. just a lazy, unfocused, inefficient, chucking.... goon. lets not forget hes still a goon. we havent seen him cost us with his emotions because weve been getting blown tf out most nights but if we ever were to compete again hes going to cost us just like he has so many times before. i think the fans get him now too... so whatever hype he might have used to bring i think hes gonna get more eye rolls than anything

[Neuromancer56]

Force feed Ajax backup big minutes whenever he’s just out there with Giannis or Brook. He just needs to cut out the stupid fouls and his over-aggressive defense. His offense is also an issue, but I’d rather play a raw and worse version of Ben Simmons than I would Bobby at this point.

Bobby is not an actual big. He’s a “big” who plays like Jamal Crawford-Lou Williams-etc. He’s only out there to score and he doesn’t play a lick of team defense. We’ve always known this about Bobby but at least a coach like Bud knew where to put him or when to bench him. He’s slowly sucking the life out of his minutes whenever he’s out there. I hope he’s gone by the deadline.

yep... bobby is another prime example of why bud was the guy. he knew and wasnt afraid to hide him on the end of the bench.

i also think that benching portis for coasting and dipping around made him a better player when he did play. hes the worst version hes been in the league right now. just a lazy, unfocused, inefficient, chucking.... goon. lets not forget hes still a goon. we havent seen him cost us with his emotions because weve been getting blown tf out most nights but if we ever were to compete again hes going to cost us just like he has so many times before. i think the fans get him now too... so whatever hype he might have used to bring i think hes gonna get more eye rolls than anything

Agree. It's time to trade Bobby.

[yb90]

BUCKnation mentioned it at the end of the GT but no idea why Giannis didn't double? He didn't have the feel to at least try an add more pressure on Mitchell when he lost the ball? He kinda just stood there.

we should have doubled. there was no way he wasnt the shooter and he wouldnt have given it up. not sure giannis coming weakside would have taken away the drive back away from the sideline tho

The instant that ball got poked away, Giannis should be yelling blitz to let gtj know he's doubling and gtj can hedge away from him.

Second grade communication ****

When the ball was poke away both Trent and Giannis went towards the ball which left Trent Jr behind Mitchell, that's why he had the angle to go back towards the middle for the jumper. If Giannis sprinted for the double he would've ran into Trent jr. Doubling from the short corner is bad anyway especially when there would be zero rotation help since everyone else was on the opposite side.

[Bernman]

Bobby with by far the worst +/- once again. Its just so obvious he's a losing basketball player but we won't do anything to fix it. Not sure how much longer I can watch this.

I was told it was just bad luck that his plus-minus/net-rating plummeted the last 2 seasons, & now even more in his 3rd. Or it's not the objective to make your team better, rather to have a fun old school high post scoring game like Big O enjoyed in the 50's.

Also I got exposed suggesting we should trade Bobby & Pat for Paul Reed & Gabe Vincent. Those are the exact types of moves we need to be making for Bobby now, because the moment has passed where we could get a significant haul (lotto pick+) in return.

[German Athens]

Giannis is now at +11.7 on/off for the season per cleaning the glass for those who were buying into his -12 all of two games ago.

[KidA24]

we should have doubled. there was no way he wasnt the shooter and he wouldnt have given it up. not sure giannis coming weakside would have taken away the drive back away from the sideline tho

The instant that ball got poked away, Giannis should be yelling blitz to let gtj know he's doubling and gtj can hedge away from him.

Second grade communication ****

When the ball was poke away both Trent and Giannis went towards the ball which left Trent Jr behind Mitchell, that's why he had the angle to go back towards the middle for the jumper. If Giannis sprinted for the double he would've ran into Trent jr. Doubling from the short corner is bad anyway especially when there would be zero rotation help since everyone else was on the opposite side.

The ball got poked away with 4 seconds left. If Giannis yells Trap, or Blitz instead of sort of kind of going for the ball and GTJ reacts, they have Mitchell trapped on the sideline 3 feet from the corner 3, which Giannis could easily recover to contest if the ball went that way.

The other thing that happened was Prince decided to stay on his man, even when he curled out 30 feet from the basket instead of helping on Mitchell when he went middle.

You have to make Mitchell give the ball up there to anything other than a lob.

[Bernman]

Giannis is now at +11.7 on/off for the season per cleaning the glass for those who were buying into his -12 all of two games ago.

Both things can be true. He was putzing it up at the beginning of the season because he admitted he prioritized health in the playoffs. But then he realized you got to make the playoffs first.

[German Athens]

Giannis is now at +11.7 on/off for the season per cleaning the glass for those who were buying into his -12 all of two games ago.

Both things can be true. He was putzing it up at the beginning of the season because he admitted he prioritized health in the playoffs. But then he realized you got to make the playoffs first.

Agreed completely. I was intentionally being a bit of an ass.

Giannis wasn’t playing with enough energy, and he was processing the game slowly. He was coming up far short of the standards he’s set, and he was bad.

My intention was to push back on those who perhaps rolled with that stat and used it as some complete rebuke of Giannis. The idea that Giannis wasn’t an MVP caliber player without Bud, some implications that he wasn’t a winning player, or other implications that he’s been the real problem all along, etc.

And I get it, times are frustrating. I would just hope for a little perspective when Giannis has also been the largest reason for our recent successes.

[Bernman]

We know Trent can shoot. The D has been better than expected. Let's not overreact there. The shots will fall.

But we can be reasonably alarmed about the rest of the supporting cast cuz they've long had major flaws. Still a very core-driven team. Let's see how strong it is when Midd is there. He needs to show the shift in urgency Giannis has. We're running out of time.

[MiltownMadness]

Winning 1 was always going to be good enough for me, we are Milwaukee afterall. This is painful though, the defense is unsalvagable again

Bobby has to go, gross watching him out there the last year and a half. Just not a fit on this team anymore, sorry Bobby. It was an amazing run, be proud of what you did here.

[FrieAaron]

Giannis is now at +11.7 on/off for the season per cleaning the glass for those who were buying into his -12 all of two games ago.

I don't think anyone thought he'd end up there to finish the season, just pointing out it was a major problem early on. If he had been playing like he did in the last two from the start we're probably 3-3 right now. If he and Dame can continue to build on last night we'll still be in OK shape, but with some roster moves that probably have to be made.

[kanyon]

Winning 1 was always going to be good enough for me, we are Milwaukee afterall. This is painful though, the defense is unsalvagable again

Bobby has to go, gross watching him out there the last year and a half. Just not a fit on this team anymore, sorry Bobby. It was an amazing run, be proud of what you did here.

I would like to win at least one more game this year. Maybe even a couple more.