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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#141 » by BUCKnation » Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:18 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Green has a shoulder injury, originally Doc said he was unlikely to play. That probably is why he had limited minutes.

He didn't look great either. In his limited minutes, he was uncharacteristically poor on the defensive end too.
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#142 » by BUCKnation » Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:21 am

ajb905 wrote:Not likely Giannis is ever going to block out consistently but team as a whole needs to give better effort on the boards. Giving up so many off rebounds is infuriating.

It's been a problem most of the year, but in this one, it was mainly an issue in the non-Giannis minutes. That barrage of orebs in the 4th qtr happened when Giannis was on the bench or at the scorer's table.
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Post#143 » by -Jragon- » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:15 am

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Wooderson wrote: Shooting a 3 isn't a non-starter if it's wide open. Bobby is a ~ 40% shooter in a contested midrange spot there, because he isn't being left wide open.

Making your decision off what happened the last few plays before it is such hilarious logic. Yeah we should have had Pat chuck a jumper because he hit an open 3 and made a touch contested layup off a hand off by Giannis



Yes it is a non-starter.. it's simple math man stop it. NBA league average for 3s is 39%.. NBA league average for 2s is 54% ...



2 things you need to do here are: Take out transition buckets, and then figure in whether shots are contested. Both will change your odds rather dramatically



No.. I don't. It's already averaged in.. that's why it's called an average. My OP was to run a play to get someone open to the hoop or at least an underneath touch and give the refs a chance to even out their bs call. Just like if there was 1 second left you'd create a play to get a lob to someone.. with 8 seconds or whatever, there was time for a drive, 2 man action or an iso closer to the hoop -- all of which are better for drawing a foul or scoring a 1 point win than Giannis's dumb ass long 2 or some yolo 3 by dudes who aren't clutch to that level.
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#144 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:30 am

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Yes it is a non-starter.. it's simple math man stop it. NBA league average for 3s is 39%.. NBA league average for 2s is 54% ...



2 things you need to do here are: Take out transition buckets, and then figure in whether shots are contested. Both will change your odds rather dramatically



No.. I don't. It's already averaged in.. that's why it's called an average. My OP was to run a play to get someone open to the hoop or at least an underneath touch and give the refs a chance to even out their bs call. Just like if there was 1 second left you'd create a play to get a lob to someone.. with 8 seconds or whatever, there was time for a drive, 2 man action or an iso closer to the hoop -- all of which are better for drawing a foul or scoring a 1 point win than Giannis's dumb ass long 2 or some yolo 3 by dudes who aren't clutch to that level.


I know you're new to Bucks basketball, but being confident the refs are going to give us a call at the end of a game goes against our entire history.

Also Giannis has one of the highest crunch time FG% in the game.

And no, the 2 point fg% your quoting includes transition, which is a bunch of uncontested layups or dunks. Nothing like the expectation of half court offense.
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#145 » by -Jragon- » Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:49 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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2 things you need to do here are: Take out transition buckets, and then figure in whether shots are contested. Both will change your odds rather dramatically



No.. I don't. It's already averaged in.. that's why it's called an average. My OP was to run a play to get someone open to the hoop or at least an underneath touch and give the refs a chance to even out their bs call. Just like if there was 1 second left you'd create a play to get a lob to someone.. with 8 seconds or whatever, there was time for a drive, 2 man action or an iso closer to the hoop -- all of which are better for drawing a foul or scoring a 1 point win than Giannis's dumb ass long 2 or some yolo 3 by dudes who aren't clutch to that level.


I know you're new to Bucks basketball, but being confident the refs are going to give us a call at the end of a game goes against our entire history.

Also Giannis has one of the highest crunch time FG% in the game.

And no, the 2 point fg% your quoting includes transition, which is a bunch of uncontested layups or dunks. Nothing like the expectation of half court offense.


Bucks fan since '86 bro.. anyways.. you're right they don't like to bail out teams or especially us, but they just made a sh#t call so any contact on that last play likely gets a makeup whistle.
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#146 » by John Murdoch » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:15 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Giannis is the most unstoppable force at the hoop in NBA history. Last possession was amazing.

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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#147 » by Plossum » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:17 am

Wondering when we’ll get our tweet about the sleepless nights the refs had from fudging the Lamelo foul call.
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#148 » by Jez2983 » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:59 am

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ReasonablySober wrote:Giannis is the most unstoppable force at the hoop in NBA history. Last possession was amazing.

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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#149 » by -Jragon- » Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:31 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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ShootingtheJ wrote:

2 things you need to do here are: Take out transition buckets, and then figure in whether shots are contested. Both will change your odds rather dramatically



No.. I don't. It's already averaged in.. that's why it's called an average. My OP was to run a play to get someone open to the hoop or at least an underneath touch and give the refs a chance to even out their bs call. Just like if there was 1 second left you'd create a play to get a lob to someone.. with 8 seconds or whatever, there was time for a drive, 2 man action or an iso closer to the hoop -- all of which are better for drawing a foul or scoring a 1 point win than Giannis's dumb ass long 2 or some yolo 3 by dudes who aren't clutch to that level.


I know you're new to Bucks basketball, but being confident the refs are going to give us a call at the end of a game goes against our entire history.

Also Giannis has one of the highest crunch time FG% in the game.

And no, the 2 point fg% your quoting includes transition, which is a bunch of uncontested layups or dunks. Nothing like the expectation of half court offense.


My bad, if it seems like I'm ignoring what you said about transition buckets. I don't think they are as wide open as you think.. they still are getting chasedowns, cut in front of or jumped at. Every Giannis drive looks like a transition but he's still going around or into people. Let's look at a few facts here:

1. If you have a wide open 3 pointer or a wide open layup/floater -- what's a higher %.
?
2. If you have a contested 3 or a contested 2 -- what's a higher %?
3. On a 3 pointer or a drive - which has a higher % of ending in freethrows?
4. In conclusion, if you need 1 point to win with 8 seconds left, the COACH calling a play or looking for the most open, best matchup or easiest 2 point shot going towards the hoop gives you the highest % chance to win.

Giannis shooting a 16 foot shot that he just missed 4x in a row is low BB IQ and represents weak coaching.
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#150 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:16 pm

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No.. I don't. It's already averaged in.. that's why it's called an average. My OP was to run a play to get someone open to the hoop or at least an underneath touch and give the refs a chance to even out their bs call. Just like if there was 1 second left you'd create a play to get a lob to someone.. with 8 seconds or whatever, there was time for a drive, 2 man action or an iso closer to the hoop -- all of which are better for drawing a foul or scoring a 1 point win than Giannis's dumb ass long 2 or some yolo 3 by dudes who aren't clutch to that level.


I know you're new to Bucks basketball, but being confident the refs are going to give us a call at the end of a game goes against our entire history.

Also Giannis has one of the highest crunch time FG% in the game.

And no, the 2 point fg% your quoting includes transition, which is a bunch of uncontested layups or dunks. Nothing like the expectation of half court offense.


My bad, if it seems like I'm ignoring what you said about transition buckets. I don't think they are as wide open as you think.. they still are getting chasedowns, cut in front of or jumped at. Every Giannis drive looks like a transition but he's still going around or into people. Let's look at a few facts here:

1. If you have a wide open 3 pointer or a wide open layup/floater -- what's a higher %.
?
2. If you have a contested 3 or a contested 2 -- what's a higher %?
3. On a 3 pointer or a drive - which has a higher % of ending in freethrows?
4. In conclusion, if you need 1 point to win with 8 seconds left, the COACH calling a play or looking for the most open, best matchup or easiest 2 point shot going towards the hoop gives you the highest % chance to win.

Giannis shooting a 16 foot shot that he just missed 4x in a row is low BB IQ and represents weak coaching.



Why are comparing contested 3 to contested 2? Compare uncontested 3s to contested , half court 2s. They're about the same.

As for Giannis driving, he was most likely to get fouled with no call.

Giannis midrange% is very solid this year.
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Post#151 » by -Jragon- » Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:36 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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ShootingtheJ wrote:
I know you're new to Bucks basketball, but being confident the refs are going to give us a call at the end of a game goes against our entire history.

Also Giannis has one of the highest crunch time FG% in the game.

And no, the 2 point fg% your quoting includes transition, which is a bunch of uncontested layups or dunks. Nothing like the expectation of half court offense.


My bad, if it seems like I'm ignoring what you said about transition buckets. I don't think they are as wide open as you think.. they still are getting chasedowns, cut in front of or jumped at. Every Giannis drive looks like a transition but he's still going around or into people. Let's look at a few facts here:

1. If you have a wide open 3 pointer or a wide open layup/floater -- what's a higher %.
?
2. If you have a contested 3 or a contested 2 -- what's a higher %?
3. On a 3 pointer or a drive - which has a higher % of ending in freethrows?
4. In conclusion, if you need 1 point to win with 8 seconds left, the COACH calling a play or looking for the most open, best matchup or easiest 2 point shot going towards the hoop gives you the highest % chance to win.

Giannis shooting a 16 foot shot that he just missed 4x in a row is low BB IQ and represents weak coaching.



Why are comparing contested 3 to contested 2? Compare uncontested 3s to contested , half court 2s. They're about the same.

As for Giannis driving, he was most likely to get fouled with no call.

Giannis midrange% is very solid this year.


Down 1, coach calls a play get an open 3... if the play works you get an open 3, if it doesn't then you get a contested 3.

Or coach calls a play to get an open 2/drive... if the play works you get an open 2, if not you get a contested 2.

The fixed variable here is that a 2 point shot has much higher % chance of going in or drawing a foul.

Furthermore, if we were down 3 with 8 seconds left there's only 1 person I trust with that shot and he's concussed.. these other fools are bricks
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#152 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:39 am

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
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My bad, if it seems like I'm ignoring what you said about transition buckets. I don't think they are as wide open as you think.. they still are getting chasedowns, cut in front of or jumped at. Every Giannis drive looks like a transition but he's still going around or into people. Let's look at a few facts here:

1. If you have a wide open 3 pointer or a wide open layup/floater -- what's a higher %.
?
2. If you have a contested 3 or a contested 2 -- what's a higher %?
3. On a 3 pointer or a drive - which has a higher % of ending in freethrows?
4. In conclusion, if you need 1 point to win with 8 seconds left, the COACH calling a play or looking for the most open, best matchup or easiest 2 point shot going towards the hoop gives you the highest % chance to win.

Giannis shooting a 16 foot shot that he just missed 4x in a row is low BB IQ and represents weak coaching.



Why are comparing contested 3 to contested 2? Compare uncontested 3s to contested , half court 2s. They're about the same.

As for Giannis driving, he was most likely to get fouled with no call.

Giannis midrange% is very solid this year.


Down 1, coach calls a play get an open 3... if the play works you get an open 3, if it doesn't then you get a contested 3.

Or coach calls a play to get an open 2/drive... if the play works you get an open 2, if not you get a contested 2.

The fixed variable here is that a 2 point shot has much higher % chance of going in or drawing a foul.

Furthermore, if we were down 3 with 8 seconds left there's only 1 person I trust with that shot and he's concussed.. these other fools are bricks


Do you really think plays only have 1 option? The shot you get depends on the defenses reaction.
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#153 » by -Jragon- » Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:45 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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ShootingtheJ wrote:
I know you're new to Bucks basketball, but being confident the refs are going to give us a call at the end of a game goes against our entire history.

Also Giannis has one of the highest crunch time FG% in the game.

And no, the 2 point fg% your quoting includes transition, which is a bunch of uncontested layups or dunks. Nothing like the expectation of half court offense.


My bad, if it seems like I'm ignoring what you said about transition buckets. I don't think they are as wide open as you think.. they still are getting chasedowns, cut in front of or jumped at. Every Giannis drive looks like a transition but he's still going around or into people. Let's look at a few facts here:

1. If you have a wide open 3 pointer or a wide open layup/floater -- what's a higher %.
?
2. If you have a contested 3 or a contested 2 -- what's a higher %?
3. On a 3 pointer or a drive - which has a higher % of ending in freethrows?
4. In conclusion, if you need 1 point to win with 8 seconds left, the COACH calling a play or looking for the most open, best matchup or easiest 2 point shot going towards the hoop gives you the highest % chance to win.

Giannis shooting a 16 foot shot that he just missed 4x in a row is low BB IQ and represents weak coaching.



Why are comparing contested 3 to contested 2? Compare uncontested 3s to contested , half court 2s. They're about the same.

As for Giannis driving, he was most likely to get fouled with no call.

Giannis midrange% is very solid this year.


Down 1, coach calls a play get an open 3... if the play works you get an open 3, if it doesn't then you get a contested 3.

Or coach calls a play to get an open 2/drive... if the play works you get an open 2, if not you get a contested 2.

The fixed variable here is that a 2 point shot has much higher % chance of going in or drawing a foul.

Furthermore, if we were down 3 with 8 seconds left there's only 1 person I trust with that shot and he's concussed.. these other fools are bricks, including Giannis from the key --- can't even trust him to make a ft let alone top of the key... I hope you secretly know this and are messing w me
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Re: PG Charlotte: Loss 

Post#154 » by milwaukee bunks » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:12 am

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milwaukee bunks wrote:can wright not shoot the ball ever again


Or just wait for him to heat up. Career 43% 3 point shooter in the playoffs, including 60% last year. He'll get there. We have lots of cold shooters, but they'll get there.


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