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[Ron Swanson]

IF Portis is set on joining another team, can we do a sign and trade with him?

This is the Kuminga sign and trade move if both parties want to do it. I don't really like it, but it's at least something different.

[pifhluk23]

I'm afraid to bring back KPJ and GTJ for any kind of serious money, both guys imo seem like contract year type players. Definitely want Bobby back but we can find guards/wings.

[CharityStripe34]

Horst is going to have to thread a lot of needles to tinker with the roster. There's a plausible scenario where Brook and Bobby are gone, but I have a sneaky suspicion they're going to keep Bobby.

[BigO]

I like it, but we're now hardcapped at the 1st apron by using the MLE and BAE. So we'll have to pass on Wade, or do a different deal than taking on MPJs big contract.

That move happens at the draft so we wouldn't be spending the MLE/BAE yet. I also don't see a realistic scenario where we're not a first apron team and being a non-tax team entirely shouldn't be any sort of goal when this roster is so talent deficient right now. Like that article/headline that came out a few weeks ago, most teams are gonna view the 1st apron as an acceptable place to be and it's really just the 2nd apron that everyone's trying to avoid like the plague. You still gotta convince Giannis to sign that extension next October, and I don't see the point in completely cheaping out this offseason when you'll have $90 million in expiring salary next summer.

We can't make moves that hardcap us if they put us over the apron.

Is there a link or a simple layout of the different aprons and how each impacts a team, the exceptions, et al? I still don't get it, but willing to learn.

[soxperry]

Kpj opts out, very predictable.

I think some of you are going to be very surprised by the figure he arrives at.

[BigO]

Not surprised at all that Kerr is interested in BP. There's a reason BP was selected for that National team a few years ago.

There's also a good reason why Kuminga is not high on Kerr's list of keepers and it just isn't money.

I'm worried that Horst's fascination with athletes will bring us Kuminga, at the expense of losing BP.

BP stays in his lane and does his thing. Guys like Kuminga and Kuzma have no lane. They think they are good at everything.

Kuzma has no skills, but Kuminga does. He just doesn'thave a BBIQ.

[Bernman]

Kpj opts out, very predictable.

I think some of you are going to be very surprised by the figure he arrives at.

His option was in the mid 2's, so the opt out doesn't mean much. A # that would surprise is 4* that, or 10. Hard to believe anyone pays him that given his off the court issues, dip in the playoffs, struggles in LAC, & backup role on both teams. Around the BAE at 5 should get it done.

We're uniquely positioned to gamble on him given the loss of Dame, lack of alternatives to acquire a 2nd potential core guy, & proof of concept w/ Giannis.

[soxperry]

Kpj opts out, very predictable.

I think some of you are going to be very surprised by the figure he arrives at.

His option was in the mid 2's, so the opt out doesn't mean much. A # that would surprise is 4* that, or 10. Hard to believe anyone pays him that given his off the court issues, dip in the playoffs, struggles in LAC, & backup role on both teams. Around the BAE at 5 should get it done.

We're uniquely positioned to gamble on him given the loss of Dame, lack of alternatives to acquire a 2nd potential core guy, & proof of concept w/ Giannis.

correct on the first sentence, that's why i said it was predictable.

10 will not surprise me, though. I wont actually be surprised unless he gets more than 15. I've already explained his value several times here and I dont think it is unique to our circumstances in any way. He would be a great add for many teams. The only unique thing is the opportunity he has with us. If all he cares about is immediate money, we can very easily get priced out by any team willing to go over the MLE. If he wants a big role and/or the best chance to get an even bigger contract, the play for him is Milwaukee.

I'm mainly worried about Brooklyn, who could very easily hand him 2 years at 20 in a very very weak FA market and hope that they can flip him for an asset or two down the road.

edit: forgot one thing.. i dont think anyone worried about his "playoff dip" in which he played his very first series against a team that was playing out of its mind. struggles are always expected the first time around.

[blazza18]

I would be very surprised if Porter is given anything but another prove it type deal.

[raferfenix]

He would a Kuminga for Bobby sign and trade look contractually?

Doesn’t seem like he’d be impossible to get if the Bucks think he’s a fit with Giannis, for better or worse:

“The tea leaves, as well as scuttlebutt around the NBA, is that the Warriors very likely will find a way to hang on to JK,” the veteran Warriors reporter said. “Doesn’t mean that he’s going to be a long-term answer.”

That last part is an important caveat to this reporting and does beg the question of how long Kuminga’s new deal will have him remain in the Bay Area. After all, the major disconnect between the Warriors — at the very least their coaching staff — and Kuminga is what his role should be with the team. Head coach Steve Kerr said recently the ideal for him was for Kuminga to become a do-it-all hustling forward like Shawn Marion, although Kuminga reportedly wants to become an All-Star through elite scoring.

But if that divide exists, then why give him a potentially big-money contract? Well, as Poole notes, the Dubs could always just “move him later.” There is some sense of when “later” could be. The Athletic’s Anthony Slater highlighted a key element of the Kuminga saga in a story published last week: the “base year compensation” rule.

The rule states that if the Dubs trade the 22-year-old in the summer he signs his new deal, only half of Kuminga’s new salary is included in the trade math. Because teams like Golden State can only take in as much salary as they’re sending out in trades, the rule limits the Warriors’ flexibility of trading Kuminga in the offseason. That changes in December, when the full salary counts in trades, which could very well happen given how the organization sees the young wing, per Poole.

“Because what seems pretty clear in talking to people is that even the people who are, I guess you can say, JK-backers with the Warriors, don’t see him as a guy that’s going to lead them to championships,” Poole said on the podcast.

“The Warriors don’t seem to be concerned about how this plays out,” Poole said. “So that tells me that they’re flexible. The one thing I’ve heard consistently is that even his backers are not saying that ‘Oh yeah, we got to keep him because he’s our next franchise player.’ I’m not hearing that.”

https://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/jonathan-kuminga-warriors-future-20365291.php

[ShootingtheJ]

Kpj opts out, very predictable.

I think some of you are going to be very surprised by the figure he arrives at.

His option was in the mid 2's, so the opt out doesn't mean much. A # that would surprise is 4* that, or 10. Hard to believe anyone pays him that given his off the court issues, dip in the playoffs, struggles in LAC, & backup role on both teams. Around the BAE at 5 should get it done.

We're uniquely positioned to gamble on him given the loss of Dame, lack of alternatives to acquire a 2nd potential core guy, & proof of concept w/ Giannis.

correct on the first sentence, that's why i said it was predictable.

10 will not surprise me, though. I wont actually be surprised unless he gets more than 15. I've already explained his value several times here and I dont think it is unique to our circumstances in any way. He would be a great add for many teams. The only unique thing is the opportunity he has with us. If all he cares about is immediate money, we can very easily get priced out by any team willing to go over the MLE. If he wants a big role and/or the best chance to get an even bigger contract, the play for him is Milwaukee.

I'm mainly worried about Brooklyn, who could very easily hand him 2 years at 20 in a very very weak FA market and hope that they can flip him for an asset or two down the road.

edit: forgot one thing.. i dont think anyone worried about his "playoff dip" in which he played his very first series against a team that was playing out of its mind. struggles are always expected the first time around.

You're going too be delighted by his next contract numbers. KPJ has burned so many bridges, he just doesn't have a market, which is lucky for us.

[ShootingtheJ]

I wish more Bucks had a playoff dip that included 47% 3 point shooting

[ShootingtheJ]

Not surprised at all that Kerr is interested in BP. There's a reason BP was selected for that National team a few years ago.

There's also a good reason why Kuminga is not high on Kerr's list of keepers and it just isn't money.

I'm worried that Horst's fascination with athletes will bring us Kuminga, at the expense of losing BP.

BP stays in his lane and does his thing. Guys like Kuminga and Kuzma have no lane. They think they are good at everything.

Kuzma has no skills, but Kuminga does. He just doesn'thave a BBIQ.

I'm just not seeing it with Horst having a fascination with athletes. He drafted Nwora and Mamu. He signed Prince.

He did trade for an athlete in Sims, but that was a steal.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

kpj...at the deadline.... was dumped for marjon you guys. marjon beauchamp

were homers so were the highest on him than anybody else. if im him im just glad i play for a team that the homers like me and want to resign me to see a little more

[ShootingtheJ]

IF Portis is set on joining another team, can we do a sign and trade with him?

This is the Kuminga sign and trade move if both parties want to do it. I don't really like it, but it's at least something different.

Neither team has a TPE large enough to make it work. You can only take back half the salary you send out in a sign and trade.

[Jez2983]

kpj...at the deadline.... was dumped for marjon you guys. marjon beauchamp

were homers so were the highest on him than anybody else. if im him im just glad i play for a team that the homers like me and want to resign me to see a little more

I'd really like to be on the same page as you but I'm sure at this stage of his life/career KBJ is strongly motivated by money. Which is fair. Despite significant transgressions he is still good at his job.

[soxperry]

kpj...at the deadline.... was dumped for marjon you guys. marjon beauchamp

were homers so were the highest on him than anybody else. if im him im just glad i play for a team that the homers like me and want to resign me to see a little more

well, i guess you're right. values dont change because of results. i should have thought of that.

[soxperry]

His option was in the mid 2's, so the opt out doesn't mean much. A # that would surprise is 4* that, or 10. Hard to believe anyone pays him that given his off the court issues, dip in the playoffs, struggles in LAC, & backup role on both teams. Around the BAE at 5 should get it done.

We're uniquely positioned to gamble on him given the loss of Dame, lack of alternatives to acquire a 2nd potential core guy, & proof of concept w/ Giannis.

correct on the first sentence, that's why i said it was predictable.

10 will not surprise me, though. I wont actually be surprised unless he gets more than 15. I've already explained his value several times here and I dont think it is unique to our circumstances in any way. He would be a great add for many teams. The only unique thing is the opportunity he has with us. If all he cares about is immediate money, we can very easily get priced out by any team willing to go over the MLE. If he wants a big role and/or the best chance to get an even bigger contract, the play for him is Milwaukee.

I'm mainly worried about Brooklyn, who could very easily hand him 2 years at 20 in a very very weak FA market and hope that they can flip him for an asset or two down the road.

edit: forgot one thing.. i dont think anyone worried about his "playoff dip" in which he played his very first series against a team that was playing out of its mind. struggles are always expected the first time around.

You're going too be delighted by his next contract numbers. KPJ has burned so many bridges, he just doesn't have a market, which is lucky for us.

except there is literally a bit in an article (or wherever I read it) that a market for KPJ is now forming. could that be agent talk? sure. i'm standing by the idea that he will get 8 at the very least and 15 on the high end.

people talking about a "prove it deal" dont understand that anything less than 10 is basically a prove it deal for him. Because if he does prove it, he will easily get 20+. He's probably not getting a 4 year deal any time soon, but the annual value will skyrocket if he plays it right.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

kpj...at the deadline.... was dumped for marjon you guys. marjon beauchamp

were homers so were the highest on him than anybody else. if im him im just glad i play for a team that the homers like me and want to resign me to see a little more

well, i guess you're right. values dont change because of results. i should have thought of that.

what results? with our rinkydink little stretch he played 20mpg as a backup???

youd have to be a fool to pay that man the money youre suggesting. he showed a pulse. he showed hes not dead and gone. thats all

if we pay like that were morons

[emunney]

Agree that KPJ almost certainly gets a prove-it deal, but there's a pretty wide range of outcomes attached to that description. His big deal with Houston would qualify, but it was a lot more cash than we're talking about here, just a lot of it unguaranteed. I'd think he wouldn't be able to get something like that just yet, but it only takes one team.

There are going to be a lot of contracts flying around the first week of July that nobody here would support.