Woelfel: Will Kohl shake up Bucks?

[EastSideBucksFan]

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completely agree with the exception of Gadz's contract. Gadz was only averaging 8 and 8 when LH signed him to that deal. I don't get this move? Hadn't we just drafted Bogut only 2 months earlier (Gadz signed on 8/12/05). Why give him so much money to be eventually be the back up to your number one pick? Then, they trade for Magloire and I understand they played Bogut at the 4, but his natural position being the 5, you have 3 centers. Gadz was more or less the third string center making 6 million a year for 6 years. It just makes no sense.

Supposedly there were a number of teams willing to offer Gadz their midlevel exception. This was a few years back when teams really didn't bat an eye to handing out their MLE, especially to an "up and coming" big man like Gadz $5YR/$30M didn't seem that bad.

The Bucks were able to give him that extra year, thats why he signed. And if he didn't work out, Harris felt confident that we could trade him at some point, but he didn't envision his value dropping as low as it is.


As far as Zaza goes, we never had a chance to sign him. Well, if we guaranteed him a starting spot he would have. But we wouldn't and Atlanta did. So he told Harris plainly and clearly that he did not want Harris to match the deal. So Harris let him walk, you can't sign someone who doesn't want to be here. Oh wait...what about Bell.....and Yi.....I guess you can

[paulpressey25]

-= Supposedly there were a number of teams willing to offer Gadz their midlevel exception. This was a few years back when teams really didn't bat an eye to handing out their MLE, especially to an "up and coming" big man like Gadz $5YR/$30M didn't seem that bad.

You bring up a good point. There has been a salary clampdown the last two years in certain areas. Guys like Etan Thomas and Brian Cardinal were getting full MLE deals with regularity. That has pretty much stopped.

And even ok but not great young guys like Drew Gooden and Chris Wilcox used to be able to pocket $40-$50mm long-term deals, but that market has changed as well.

Gadz was the last beneficiary of that older, more liberal pay scale. And I think the team was very worried at the time that the Atlanta Hawks would toss out a 5-year/$35-40mm deal that we would worry about matching and would be structured to not be friendly to our cap and lux tax going forward. So we offered Gadz the 6/$36 deal to get it over with.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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The bottom definitely dropped out on GM's looking to hand out MLE deals like lollipops.


Gooden and Wilcox had to settle for short term 3YR/$24M deals which gave them more per year, but keeps them working hard for their next deal. Thats a huge difference IMO. Those short deals keep them improving and keep them hungry.

Seattle and CLE held strong they both got their big men to sign for not that much.

[Matches Malone]

I think the best way kohl can shake things up, is if he trades Redd, and brings in a legit point guard. Then pray we can somehow pick up Beasley in the draft to be our go to guy, and have bogut and Yi the pieces to build around Beasley

[paulpressey25]

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They did the same with Varajao......

[EastSideBucksFan]

I think the best way kohl can shake things up, is if he trades Redd, and brings in a legit point guard. Then pray we can somehow pick up Beasley in the draft to be our go to guy, and have bogut and Yi the pieces to build around Beasley

What a great plan for an NBA franchise


Lets base everything off a wish and a dream


Now if we only didn't blow all our money on moonbeams and pennywhistles. Damn.

[little_cleo]

The only thing Collins could change in Milwaukee would be his hair color. I doubt his fake blonde would inspire passion within the players on the court.

This team lacks of leadership, pride and unity. The GM's duty of acquiring talent has been met, it's the coaching staff and more importantly the players themselves that are to blame for this teams short comings.

If Kohl is really serious about winning he will have to allow trading Redd and Villanueva.

[EastSideBucksFan]

The only thing Collins could change in Milwaukee would be his hair color. I doubt his fake blonde would inspire passion within the players on the court.

This team lacks of leadership, pride and unity. The GM's duty of acquiring talent has been met, it's the coaching staff and more importantly the players themselves that are to blame for this teams short comings.

If Kohl is really serious about winning he will have to allow trading Redd and Villanueva.

Words directly from the mouth of Larry Harris.

Looks like Charlie Bell isn't the only one with a RealGM account.



It's hard to agree with what you said. The level of talent is present on this team, but while the pieces to the puzzle are all nice and attractive they haven't seemed to fit together.

[EastSideBucksFan]

The only thing Collins could change in Milwaukee would be his hair color. I doubt his fake blonde would inspire passion within the players on the court.

This team lacks of leadership, pride and unity. The GM's duty of acquiring talent has been met, it's the coaching staff and more importantly the players themselves that are to blame for this teams short comings.

If Kohl is really serious about winning he will have to allow trading Redd and Villanueva.

I still think little cleo is Harris himself.

These words sound like a scorn GM trying to defend himself.

And I don't really disagree with him.

There's too much talent on this roster to be playing this bad.

I still don't agree with the coach hire and I full on believe a veteran coach like Carlisle would have us playing better ball.


But it's also on the players to take some pride in playing defense.

If we're going to keep bringing in former Bucks I would really like to see us grab Sidney Moncrief. He's the "free throw shooting special coach" for GSW. He could just be labeled "Defensive Specialist Coach" for the Bucks.

[paulpressey25]

If Kohl is really serious about winning he will have to allow trading Redd and Villanueva.

a) Does Larry Harris want to trade Redd and CV? I'd be curious on that one...

b) You talk about the goal of obtaining talent being met. Yet two of the major talent cornerstones that have been part of the Harris era, Redd and CV need to get shipped out? That contradicts itself.

Or does Larry Harris not like Redd and feel he should have been dealt a long time ago but such deals were not allowed by Kohl.

[little_cleo]

There are two sides to the story and between them is reality.

Understanding that the NBA is not just a game but a business GMs have to make moves that may seem uncomfortable. Like the Ford trade.

As for a contradiction? It's logical to believe that in order to get talent one must trade talent. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter that particular players seem to hinder the growth of others.

[EastSideBucksFan]

There are two sides to the story and between them is reality.

Understanding that the NBA is not just a game but a business GMs have to make moves that may seem uncomfortable. Like the Ford trade.

As for a contradiction? It's logical to believe that in order to get talent one must trade talent. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter that particular players seem to hinder the growth of others.

So, an uncomfortable move is being made and Redd doesn't really have a thigh contusion?