4-1 without Redd

bigzy · Post #81 » by **bigzy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:38 am

[quote="Dennis Rodman"][/quote]

You forgot the biggest reason:

MIAMI, CAROLINA AND PHILLY ALL SUCK!!!!!

Simulack · Post #82 » by **Simulack** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:41 am

bigzy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You forgot the biggest reason:

MIAMI, CAROLINA AND PHILLY ALL SUCK!!!!!

Then what does it say that we were 1-2 against them with Redd?

bigzy · Post #83 » by **bigzy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:46 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Then what does it say that we were 1-2 against them with Redd?

You are seriously trying to make a point that this team is better with Redd on the bench??? Check the record over the last 2 years without him then try to make that case. A fool looks at these last three wins and makes the decision that Bell and CV will continue to play at that level.... All the problems are now solved because Redd is hurt and by the way did you see the little green men from Mars that landed in NYC today?

europa · Post #84 » by **europa** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:50 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Then what does it say that we were 1-2 against them with Redd?

They're actually 2-2 against those teams with Redd. Redd played three quarters of the last game against Miami. I think it's ignoring the facts completely to say the Bucks won that game without him. If he only played a quarter or a half, I'd say that's a more reasonable argument. But he played the majority of the game and the Bucks had a four-point lead when he left the game.

Newz · Post #85 » by **Newz** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:50 am

bigzy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You are seriously trying to make a point that this team is better with Redd on the bench??? Check the record over the last 2 years without him then try to make that case. A fool looks at these last three wins and makes the decision that Bell and CV will continue to play at that level.... All the problems are now solved because Redd is hurt and by the way did you see the little green men from Mars that landed in NYC today?

Simulack · Post #86 » by **Simulack** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:51 am

bigzy wrote:You are seriously trying to make a point that this team is better with Redd on the bench???

Not at all, I never said anything like that.. I wasn't arguing this team is better without Redd; I was arguing that your point about the teams we beat having poor records wasn't a very good one as our record with Redd was 1-2 against those teams earlier in the season.

Simulack · Post #87 » by **Simulack** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:00 am

europa wrote:They're actually 2-2 against those teams with Redd. Redd played three quarters of the last game against Miami.

I was responding to Bigzy and he included Miami in his list along with Charlotte and Philly. If you think otherwise, that's great but its not really relevant to the specific point I was making in regards to Bigzy's post. My point was one regarding our record against teams we've played BOTH with Redd at least once and without Redd at least once. Miami doesn't qualify. That's why I just mentioned the 1-2 record vs those same teams with Redd playing.

I don't think we are better with Redd. Just that Bigzy's argument "well the Bucks beat **** teams" isn't very compelling since we failed to have success against those teams with Redd.

europa · Post #88 » by **europa** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:02 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I don't think we are better with Redd. Just that Bigzy's argument "well the Bucks beat **** teams" isn't very compelling since we failed to have success against those teams with Redd.

And I was just pointing out that the Bucks' record against those teams is 2-2 with Redd, not 1-2.

bigzy · Post #89 » by **bigzy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:03 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Not at all, I never said anything like that.. I wasn't arguing this team is better without Redd; I was arguing that your point about the teams we beat having poor records wasn't a very good one as our record with Redd was 1-2 against those teams earlier in the season.

Look at the record without Redd over his last 25 missed games then come argue with me. Actually according to Europa they were 2-2 earlier in the season. This is the only point I am making, anyone who thinks this team is better with Redd sitting on the bench must be an Isiah thomas fan and also believe he is putting together a championship team.

Simulack · Post #90 » by **Simulack** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:06 am

europa wrote:And I was just pointing out that the Bucks' record against those teams is 2-2 with Redd, not 1-2.

Which would still be worse than our 2-0 record against them without Redd.

The legitimate argument obviously has to do with the number of games we are being asked to form a conclusion based on and not the quality of the opponents in those games.

Simulack · Post #91 » by **Simulack** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:09 am

bigzy wrote:Look at the record without Redd over his last 25 missed games then come argue with me.

I am arguing with but apparently you are unable to understand what I'm actually saying. It doesn't get much more explicit than:

Simulack wrote:Not at all, I never said anything like that.. I wasn't arguing this team is better without Redd

Why would I want to look at the Bucks record over his last 25 missed games when I stated very clearly that I am NOT arguing that the Bucks are better off without him?

There are lots of good arguments as to why our recent success without Redd isn't indicative of what some here imply (that we are better off without Redd); your initial post

MIAMI, CAROLINA AND PHILLY ALL SUCK!!!!!

unfortunately wasn't one of them.