Do this and be done with it.

[Comet]

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We do have that time because Mo won't become an elite PG for two more years if he ever does. Yi and Bogut need two more years. Good God do you think we are championship caliber now as we sit? Next year? We both know that answer.

I didn't say we were. Our 5 main problems are:

1) Mo and Mike are together in the backcourt.
2) We have a crappy coach.
3) We're run by a crappy front office.
4) We don't have a quality SF.
5) We have a ton of bad contracts (Redd, Mo, Gadzuric, Simmons, Mason, Bell), which restricts us in signing free agents in the offseason.

We have even more problems than that but I'm too lazy to think of them.

We all know we're not even close to a championship. Hell we're not even close to a #4 seed in the playoffs. Mediocrity doesn't appeal to the taxpayers. I agree, we should make a move, and trading Redd in the right deal just might propel us out of mediocrity. But this deal would make us even worse in the short-term, and we can't look at the long-term because we can't survive here much longer without a new arena.

[upnorthfan]

This is my first trade thread ever and seldom do I dream up trades. I let you guys do that and maybe comment on them.

Here is a trade I would do in a second. Redd for Aaron Aflalo and Rodney Stuckey and filler.

Two 6'5" guards who play in your face defense. Rookies who could grow up with Yi and Bogut.

Their offense will come around about the time it will take Mo to become an elite PG. Play Mo half his time at SG and he and Stuckey can push each other to become elite PG's.

I love Aflalo as well. Both are tough guys. Dumars is probably too smart and wouldn't do it though.

I still would do this. Redd is fool's gold.

[Nowak008]

Piston fans are delusional. With Redd coming off the bench they would be the favorites to win it all.

Maxiell or Amir have to be in this deal b4 I even think about it.

[upnorthfan]

Piston fans are delusional. With Redd coming off the bench they would be the favorites to win it all.

Maxiell or Amir have to be in this deal b4 I even think about it.

Sure if you can get that go for it. I doubt Dumars does my proposal much less yours.

With Stuckey at PG and Mo at the two guard, in addition to getting Bogut 20ppg down low and Aflalo and Bell off the bench, you are much better defensively and you become more of a traditional team. Mo at the two the rest of this year, he will be a top 15 talent by next year. Couple that with Yi getting stronger and smarter...I like it.

What have we learned with Redd sitting out?

[xTitan]

could the Bucks actually move Redd and get anything of value back in return?

[upnorthfan]

could the Bucks actually move Redd and get anything of value back in return?

Certainly, the question remains what? I think Mo would fetch more but Mo we need to keep.

[paulpressey25]

I'd speculate as a fan that Redd's value is declining......he's now entering into those $16, $17 and $18 million dollar a year payouts on his contract....he's not averaging 27ppg anymore....and his team still isn't winning......

Herb just needs to get it over with. Find a GM....get a philosophy and trade Redd for whatever matches the new philosophy.

We are one bad Redd injury away from Allan Houston-land. Of course granted that Redd is younger and healthier.....

[xTitan]

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Certainly, the question remains what? I think Bogut would fetch more.

No kidding...but why trade him? Whats your long term goal? Looking to put together the dumbest team in NBA history? You can't win with this back court, need to break it up but what do you get for shooters with bad contracts.

[upnorthfan]

I'd speculate as a fan that Redd's value is declining......he's now entering into those $16, $17 and $18 million dollar a year payouts on his contract....he's not averaging 27ppg anymore....and his team still isn't winning......

Herb just needs to get it over with. Find a GM....get a philosophy and trade Redd for whatever matches the new philosophy.

We are one bad Redd injury away from Allan Houston-land. Of course granted that Redd is younger and healthier.....

Redd's value is definitely declining and his bigger pay out years doesn't have as much to do with it as much as his lack of production on the court.

All season I have put this losing season right where it belongs, on Mo and Redd, and then Coach K becuae he is ultimately responsible for the team.

But as we seen tonight, Redd makes in the final 8:45 of the game two bad passes, misses a beautifully set up layup on a three on one fast break that he can't finish, plus he jacks up and misses (2) three point shots. This is common with him. Bogut got two touches and drew two fouls during that time.

Redd is soft. Redd had zero assist tonight. This trade makes us tough guys.

[paulpressey25]

-= Redd is soft. Redd had zero assist tonight. This trade makes us tough guys.

The problem is Detroit won't do it. They don't need Redd. And they don't have the bad contracts to make it work under the cap.

But after a game like this, I would even now sell "low" to the Bulls and offer Redd for Nocioni and Thabo and an expiring if they had one.

[Bucks_Revenge]

You're obviously delusional

[upnorthfan]

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No kidding...but why trade him? Whats your long term goal? Looking to put together the dumbest team in NBA history? You can't win with this back court, need to break it up but what do you get for shooters with bad contracts.

Funny you should say that because I think Redd's basketball IQ needs to be questioned. My goal is to split Redd and Mo up because collectively they are a bad fit. Mo is better than Redd quite frankly, and at the two guard, he would become elite. Redd has never been a top 15 player in this league. I believe Mo can.

My goal also is to involve Bogut about what he did tonight with the exception I wouldn't stray away from him in the fourth quarter.

So I want to make my team a tougher team, a more traditional inside out and maybe back in again team, and a team that handles the ball better.

Yi, Bogut and Mo is our building blocks. You have CV and add Stuckey and Aflalo and you have a nice basis moving forward with the ultimate goal of building a championship team, a team that competes year in and year out. That would be my goal.

[upnorthfan]

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The problem is Detroit won't do it. They don't need Redd. And they don't have the bad contracts to make it work under the cap.

But after a game like this, I would even now sell "low" to the Bulls and offer Redd for Nocioni and Thabo and an expiring if they had one.

lol, I know and someone said only if they include Maxiel? Wow!

[paulpressey25]

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lol, I know and someone said only if they include Maxiel? Wow!

No...I want more back than those two guys as well....but as a trading partner Detroit just doesn't work for a number of reasons.

There are still teams that the Bucks can call though.....the trade deadline is February 22nd.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

This is flat out a nutty trade idea, I' m sorry. I mean no disrespect, but come on now lets be serious here and think about this for a minute.

Be reasonable here. This topic thread should be locked. I thought this was at least a plausible proposal and not a waste of space playa.

First off, for the Bucks' no way do you trade Redd to the Pistons first off if not even in the same conference.

And secondly, this does not even make sense for the Pistons to do either!

In fact, I bet the Pistons wouldn't even take Redd if you offered him to them for these two young stars who fit perfectly with what they want to do!

They would rather keep the two rookies! What they hell do they need with a gunner like Redd with Hamilton there and Jarvis Hayes and Murray?

I bet you couldn't even push Redd off on the Pistons for those two.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

You guys are dillusional. This is a steal for us. Just wait until 3 years from now and we'd have the better end of the deal. It's a great rebuilding move. And if we can get an expiring contract or two in this, we free up a lot of money for free agency this year, which will open up so many options for us.

No one is talking about us...

The Pistons won't do this crap man, wake up! First off why would you give the Pistons Michael Redd? Why?

Use your head! Why the hell would you trade him in your own division for two rookies? Are you (Please Use More Appropriate Word)!?

I love Stuckey and Affalo too! In fact, I would have taken Stuckey over Yi in the draft and Sean Williams with Rodney Carney in that deal the Sixers were offering!

They offered us two first rounders and Carney for our #6 (Yi) I would have done that, so I like Stuckey and Afflao you don't have to tell me.

I said this at draft time...but now the Pistons don't need Redd. Redd would mess them up completely because he does not defend, and Redd is not a system player at all!

The Pistons don't need Redd to win! The only way you move Redd in your own division is if you are getting a proven All Star type caliber vet like Jermaine O'Neal or Andres Nocioni back in return.

Not two unproven rookies. That is just dumb and a waste of time to argue.
You should know this already. I am shocked this thread has this many of us replying to it and having to refute it...