Who could we get more for - Mike or Mo?

[L&H_05]

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Who would you rather have right now...Mo Williams, Mike Redd or Bibby when you factor in age and contract.

Mo Williams without hesitation...

[europa]

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Mo Williams without hesitation...

I think the Cavs already have a Mo-type player on their roster.

[L&H_05]

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I think the Cavs already have a Mo-type player on their roster.

I disagree...

There's not a player on our roster that can run a fastbreak besides LBJ...

There's only one dribble penetrator on our roster (LBJ)..

There's only one player that is capable of passing the ball efficiently (LBJ)..

The Cavs don't need a pure PG per say... But, they do however need one that can handle the ball decently enough in the halfcourt, run a fast break, can score consistently from the outside, as well as break a defense down and score in the paint or get to the line...

There's one player on our roster that can do all of that, however he needs some help...

[europa]

No argument about LeBron needing help. But I'm talking about Gibson compared to Mo in his second season. Mo would have the advantage in terms of PG ability but his PG skills (in my opinion) were extremely weak then and it wasn't until this season he finally showed better skills and instincts at the position. If Mo can make that improvement over time, perhaps Gibson can as well.

[El Duderino]

I don't watch the Cavs that much, but when i have, Gibson strikes me as pretty much just a guy who can handle the ball a bit and a spot up three point shooter. I think Mo not only has better PG skills, he's a much more varied scorer.

[L&H_05]

I gotcha, I just don't think so.. Boobie is a pure shooter, a spot up stand still shooter at that, and that's about it... His ball handling skills are well below average, and his ability to run an offense and pass the ball are poor...He's slow with the ball in his hands..

He's really a SG in a PG's body... Which is why he fell in the draft... After his freshman year he was projected as a lotto pick, but he played a ton of SG... When he was switched over to the PG spot, he struggled, and his stock plummeted...

With that said, I really hope he's not traded... I love his shot, and definitely see him as an asset...
He really doesn't have a PG bone in his body...

[europa]

I don't watch the Cavs that much, but when i have, Gibson strikes me as pretty much just a guy who can handle the ball a bit and a spot up three point shooter. I think Mo not only has better PG skills, he's a much more varied scorer.

At this point in his career absolutely. In his second season? I don't think so. The PGs skills were better but I was never all that impressed with his PG skills before this season and I think Gibson is a better scorer in his second season than Mo was in his.

He really doesn't have a PG bone in his body...

I didn't think much of Mo's PG skills in his second season either, L&H. To his credit, he's improved. Maybe Gibson can show similar improvement over time. I think the chances he gets to the level Mo is at now are a lot better than either of them getting to the level Redd is at as a scorer in this league.

[ReasonablySober]

But that's the point. Cleveland doesn't need a Redd level scorer. Most teams don't.

[europa]

But that's the point. Cleveland doesn't need a Redd level scorer. Most teams don't.

I think the Cavs need another strong scorer to pair with LeBron. They need a PG too but another scorer who can take the heat off LeBron would be huge in my opinion - especially if the scorer was of Redd's caliber. Just my opinion.

[El Duderino]

At this point in his career absolutely. In his second season? I don't think so. The PGs skills were better but I was never all that impressed with his PG skills before this season and I think Gibson is a better scorer in his second season than Mo was in his.

I think Mo has always been a better scorer than Gibson outside of three point shooting. Gibson for the most part does nothing except shoot spot up three pointers off defender converging on James, i haven't seen Gibson create shots for himself often at all like Mo can. He is a better long range shooter than Mo is though, but it's also his only plus skill from what i see.

I didn't think much of Mo's PG skills in his second season either, L&H. To his credit, he's improved. Maybe Gibson can show similar improvement over time.

Mo has always been able to beat his man off the dribble and get into the paint, creating shots for himself and others. Gibson in games i've watched showed little to no ability in doing that.

[paulpressey25]

The Cav's need Redd in the worst way....L&H can't bring himself though to come to that conclusion.

With LeBron, all of a sudden Redd's weaknesses don't matter. He's now getting wide open looks all day long...and hitting them. And also being able to create when LeBron is tired or double teamed.

Redd has more value IMO.....he works on any good team you put him on. With Mo's smaller size and defensive issues, he may not fit everywhere.

[L&H_05]

The Cav's need Redd in the worst way....L&H can't bring himself though to come to that conclusion.

With LeBron, all of a sudden Redd's weaknesses don't matter. He's now getting wide open looks all day long...and hitting them. And also being able to create when LeBron is tired or double teamed.

Redd has more value IMO.....he works on any good team you put him on. With Mo's smaller size and defensive issues, he may not fit everywhere.

OY....

What would I rather have...

SF LeBron (can do it all)
SG Redd (Great scorer but can't play PG)
PG Hughes (at the point.. oh great, just the playmaker we need ) keep in mind Gibson prefers and is better off the bench, so he's not starting..

or

SF LeBron (:love:)
SG Hughes (better spot, ball out of his hands, and he can guard the scoring guard)
PG Mo (can score, and play the PG better than Hughes..Fits better)

I'm not trying to fit the square peg in the round hole here..

[jerrod]

ironically, redd is better without the wide open looks

[Chapter29]

But that's the point. Cleveland doesn't need a Redd level scorer. Most teams don't.

I am not so sure about that. That's like saying that Boston doesn't need Allen. I do agree however that Redd would be much harder to move than Mo. There are likely several teams that would trade for Mo. Redd with his max salary, much more difficult.

I believe that not only is Redd hard to move, but since he is overpaid you aren't going to get fair value for him either. A team is likely to force you into taking a bad contract back as compensation. With Mo you don't have that problem.

Like it or not we are very likely stuck with Redd. If that's the case, do you move Mo? My wish would be to make a move with Mo and CV and turn them into Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas.

[xTitan]

I don't think either has great trade value, I am just concerned the Bucks will be saddled with both for the long haul.

[Kablooie]

I don't think either has great trade value, I am just concerned the Bucks will be saddled with both for the long haul.

Could be worse, we could have three mediocre guys in the front court that can't produce at all.

[coolhandluke121]

Just bring one of them off the bench and be done with it. They could play both of them about 36 mpg, but only 12 of those overlapping. That way they would have one of their top two scorers on the floor at all times but would also be able to complement that scorer with a solid defender like Bell or Ivey most of the time.

[jeremyd236]

Win or lose tonight, the Bucks are proving that they can win with Mo and Redd. If the offense is running like it is supposed to (meaning Bogut not only gets touches, but scores), than we can compete with the majority of the teams in this league.

Simmons and co. have to play like they are paid to also.

[AussieBuck]

Redd, Noel and Storey for Harris, Bass, George, Jones and Hassell.

Mo, CV and Ivey for Battier, Novak and Snyder.

Both trades checker approved.