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Bucks-Jazz Postgame Thread 1/14/08

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Post#161 » by xTitan » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:16 pm

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Charlie Bell can not run a team. He makes some good passes on fast breaks but he can not consistently run a team, he's not a point guard. Mo Williams is the guy I want as a pg at the end of the game. He does make a lot of good decisions with the ball.


I disagree with that statement, he ALWAYS wants to take the last shot and often settles for a bad shot...he can get to the basket but at the end of games often chooses not or just can't finish because of his size....never considered Mo a good decision maker. If the Bucks have the lead I want the ball in his hands because he is excellent at making free throws, but thats it. A big problem is this team has no one who can take over at the end of a game and lead his team to victory.
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Post#162 » by europa » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:23 pm

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What are they supposed to do then? If Bogut is taken out of the game we have nothing else besides Mo and Redd. I'm not excusing them from some poor play down the stretch, but we don't have a starting SF or PF ...and last night we didn't even have a capable back up SF or PF.


No argument. I've been talking about both for some time now as being far greater issues than Redd or Mo.

I just think we need to see smarter play. Both Mo and Redd took some horrendous shots in the fourth quarter. Attack the basket. Try to get to the line. Try to penetrate and either draw a foul or create for someone else. That's what I wanted to see. Apply pressure on the Jazz and don't just settle for what the defense is giving you because that's what they want you to do.
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Post#163 » by Buck You » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:28 pm

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What evidence do you have to say that? If I recall correctly, there was a game at the beginning of the season in which Mo Williams was benched (Chicago?) and Bell came in and closed the game out, masterfully, at the point guard position.

Who told you he wasn't a point guard and why can't he run a team? Use your imagination. Don't tell me it's because he can't dribble, because ever time I see him, he takes good care of the ball. I'd say he has the best Bball IQ on the team, besides King Bogut, and Lord Yi. The guy has been a winner everywhere he has been. He might not make the flashy pass, but he will always make the open pass. And, he provides defense at the point of attack. Don't you guys see that the lack of that is killing this team?

I don't have an agenda when it comes to the players on this team. I just want to see them put into the right positions to succeed.


I have watched Charlie Bell. He is not a point guard. He is an off guard that when his shot is on is one of the best bench players in the NBA. If Mo got hurt I guarantee LK would start Ivey over Bell because Ivey is a better point guard than Bell. Bell is the better player by far but Ivey knows how to make the passes. I don't hate Bell or anything, he is finally alive now during this season but the guy just isn't a point guard. I've watched him all year and have came to that conclusion. Maybe we can agree to disagree on this.
I disagree with that statement, he ALWAYS wants to take the last shot and often settles for a bad shot...he can get to the basket but at the end of games often chooses not or just can't finish because of his size....never considered Mo a good decision maker. If the Bucks have the lead I want the ball in his hands because he is excellent at making free throws, but thats it. A big problem is this team has no one who can take over at the end of a game and lead his team to victory.


I've seen him make plenty of good decisions at the end of games. Yes, he has made plenty of bad decisions, but everyone on this team makes bad decisions. It's a young and not very bright team. He is the only point guard on the roster that can make all the passes. He doesn't do it all the time because I think he thinks his shot at 18 feet is the best decision for the offense. That always isn't the best decision but he is a damn good shooter. Mo has definitley looked to his teammates a lot more this year than in the past. We just aren't a very good team, that's why we aren't winning.
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Post#164 » by Buck You » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:30 pm

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I just think we need to see smarter play. Both Mo and Redd took some horrendous shots in the fourth quarter. Attack the basket. Try to get to the line. Try to penetrate and either draw a foul or create for someone else. That's what I wanted to see. Apply pressure on the Jazz and don't just settle for what the defense is giving you because that's what they want you to do.


Yes those are things Mo and Redd really need to work on. Earlier in the season Redd was driving more but since his injury he hasn't been. Mo just really has been a penetrator and rarely goes to the basket instead on fast breaks. I think if he and Redd and everyone else went to the basket more we'd get a lot more calls and we'd win more games. Jumpshooting and dumb teams don't win a lot of games, aggressive and smart teams do.

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