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Mo or Redd. Who is better player?

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Mo or Redd? Who is better right now?

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Post#41 » by paul » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:08 pm

Sigra wrote:Mo's natural position is SG. He has big problems to play defense at PG or to run offense at PG. He is shooter and should play SG period. It is shame to use him at PG. Mo is SG and better player than Redd

Mo should play at SG alongside big PG that play defense


I would say instead of that Mo should just learn to play defense. How a 6 foot guard can get 5 years into an nba career and not be able to play defense is absolutely mind boggling to me.
As I said earlier in the thread I believe with major defensive improvements Mo can be a second tier star in this league, but right now there are times like last night when a Mo is an outright liability on the defensive end. As for taking 22 shots from the pg position, well the less said about that the better.
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Post#42 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:50 pm

Wise1 wrote:-= Deron Williams: 33pts, 10ast, 4stls. Game. Set. Match.

If your starting point guard can't defend, you won't win.


Yep.....and with Redd back, Mo's now back to playing much more PG.
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Post#43 » by Sigra » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:22 pm

paul wrote:I would say instead of that Mo should just learn to play defense.


If he didn't learn by now I doubt he ever will. He is not 18 years old anymore
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Post#44 » by paul » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:30 pm

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If he didn't learn by now I doubt he ever will. He is not 18 years old anymore


I sincerely hope Mo and the coaching staff don't think like that, if he doesn't improve his D he'll be a liability at that end his entire career. The dude's not 60, if he can't be taught how to do something at the age of 25 he's got a serious problem.
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Post#45 » by Sigra » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:37 pm

I don't think it is something that he can learn. I think his problem at defense is his body. He just don't have body to play defense. Even when he try he get shoulder injury because his body can't take hit by screen maker. Look at Ivey. This year he hit some hard screens but without injuries. Mo tried to play defense but then we lost him for shoulder injury. He also has small arms, bad anticipating, and also doesn't have enough energy to play hard at both ends of floor. He is not athletic enough. The guy has weak body period.
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Post#46 » by pilprin » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:41 pm

Kablooie wrote:I like Mo more on this team, but Redd is a far better basketball player. If it was "Who is a better value for the Bucks?", I would definitely vote Mo instead of Redd, but Redd gets my vote for better player.


This is my sentriment as well. Redd is more talanted, but Mo is better for this team. Mo makes the Bucks a better team, but Redd makes the team more talented.

Time to ship out Redd.
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Post#47 » by paul » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:44 pm

Sigra wrote:I don't think it is something that he can learn. I think his problem at defense is his body. He just don't have body to play defense. Even when he try he get shoulder injury because his body can't take hit by screen maker. Look at Ivey. This year he hit some hard screens but without injuries. Mo tried to play defense but then we lost him for shoulder injury. He also has small arms, bad anticipating, and also doesn't have enough energy to play hard at both ends of floor. He is not athletic enough. The guy has weak body period.


I'm talking about his horrible footwork, his general body positioning and his propensity for allowing a defender past him so he can attempt to steal or block from behind or beside his player rather than using his superior quickness to stay in front of his man. All of these things can be improved with tuition, and none of them have anything to do with his body. I don't expect him to be able to muscle up like Jason Kidd, but I do expect him to be able to keep his body infront of Deron on a consistant basis by using basic defensive footwork.
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Post#48 » by Debit One » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:23 pm

paul wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I'm talking about his horrible footwork, his general body positioning and his propensity for allowing a defender past him so he can attempt to steal or block from behind or beside his player rather than using his superior quickness to stay in front of his man. All of these things can be improved with tuition, and none of them have anything to do with his body. I don't expect him to be able to muscle up like Jason Kidd, but I do expect him to be able to keep his body infront of Deron on a consistant basis by using basic defensive footwork.


I agree with all of this. Most of Mo's problem on defense is that he doesn't care enough about it. Sure, he could have more lateral quickness, but a little bit of effort would cure a lot of what ails him on that end.

It's simple - Mo defines himself as a player by what he does on offense. If he had scored 30 last night he would be thinking that he had a good game, ignoring the fact that Williams torched him. Redd has precisely the same mindset, but to be honest has a bit more of an excuse for his terrible defense in that he has fewer physical skills than does Mo.
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Post#49 » by Newz » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:43 pm

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Deron Williams: 33pts, 10ast, 4stls. Game. Set. Match.

If your starting point guard can't defend, you won't win.


You realize Derron Williams goes off against a lot of players, regardless of how good a defender they are... Right?

And what does D-Williams having 4 steals have to do with Mo's lack of defense?

I agree Mo isn't a very good defender, but to blame him for letting a near superstar level player have a big game is a little crazy, IMO.

Boozer had 21/10... Game, set, match if your bigs can't stop him from doing that on 9-15 shooting. Oh I forgot, Boozer does things like that all of the time because he is a great player.
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Post#50 » by Buck You » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:47 pm

Sigra wrote:Mo should play at SG alongside big PG that play defense


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What about him?
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Post#51 » by Sigra » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:39 pm

ReddBogutCharlieV wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



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What about him?


Honestly, I don't watch NCAA this year so I can't coment

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