Would you swap CV for Tyrus Thomas?

LUKE23 · Post #121 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:49 pm

Noah is steaming garbage. You can keep him. Believe me, NOBODY here wants him.

jerrod · Post #122 » by **jerrod** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:53 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Noah is steaming garbage. You can keep him. Believe me, NOBODY here wants him.

i do, if we've decided to trade cv i'd love to get noah, i'd much rather get him than tt

Chuck Diesel · Post #123 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:54 pm

I'm all about this trade-

http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

REDDzone · Post #124 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:54 pm

Sonny_D1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're absolutely right, I think guys like TT or Noah would be wonderful fits for the Bucks. All you need to do is look at their PER, their per36, look at whatever statistical measure you'd like, these kids have the talent and they've been quite productive when they've been on the floor. TT has a PER of almost 14 and I believe as of the other day Noah was leading all rookies with 18. It's a shame their talent is being wasted in what's thus far been a wasted season for the Bulls.

I just don't understand how these kids can't earn time on (no offense) such a bad team.

I mean if it was Skiles or whatever that had it in for TT or whatever, that's fine, I can buy that.

But two seperate different head coaches and Thomas still can't seem to get any burn? I just don't buy that he is as good as some Bulls fans make him out to be. Point me to PER and I'll point you to Dan Gadzuric 36 million dollar contract.

Per 40 is good....if comparing players who play the same amount of minutes, but it is all contextual and there is a reason they aren't seeing the floor.

It may be coaching, but that is just extremely unfortunate for the Bulls to have two such inept coaches in a row if so.

Simulack · Post #125 » by **Simulack** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:55 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:I'm all about this trade-

http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

Link doesn't work for me:

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Chuck Diesel · Post #126 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:00 pm

Nuggets probably say no, but it was Villanueva, Gadzuric and Sessions (or this year's second round pick) to Denver for Linas Kleiza, Eddy Najera and Steven Hunter

Post #127 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:12 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Noah is steaming garbage. You can keep him. Believe me, NOBODY here wants him.

Actually I'd like him here if the price is CV.

This is all part of the maturation process for Noah.....but when he's on the court, he's a guy that does all the little things to help your team win. He's the anti-CV in that respect.

And if he doesn't work out here, it isn't he end of the world in that we gave up another guy who might not work out here either.

If we are going to dump CV, I'd at least like to do it for a guy who can help us now and might turn into something down the road.

Agree with Reddzone...TT obviously isn't showing certain things to the two coaching staffs.....otherwise he'd get more PT. I'd take him also for CV but would prefer Noah.

Chuck Diesel · Post #128 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:18 pm

What we need now is a guy who will come in, keep his mouth shut and play his tail off on defense. We need someone with a Michael Ruffin/ Royal Ivey mentality who's actually skilled. Noah is a big dumb cocky annoying goofball (yeah I'm back in the third grade)

Sonny_D1 · Post #129 » by **Sonny_D1** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:36 pm

REDDzone wrote:It may be coaching, but that is just extremely unfortunate for the Bulls to have two such inept coaches in a row if so.

That's part of it, but here are two other words for you: Ben Wallace. It's downright disgusting how far this whole "entitlement" BS has gone with this staff, and $60m has alot to do with it I'm sure. The fact that he's gotten coaches run out of town everywhere he's been should tell you something about his personality. The reality of it is, guys are afraid to bench him.

As for Boylan, he's been around Skiles for a while now and was considered his "right hand man." In fact, his coaching style, offensive schemes, rotations haven't changed one bit. The only difference between him and Skiles is he's a better communicator. Other than that, same ****, different suit.

As crazy as this sounds, we just don't have the minutes, well, let me rephrase that, because the coach is too afraid to sit Wallace and would rather keep him happy by giving him 34 minutes a night, we just don't have enough minutes to go around.

Joe Smith has been nothing short of sensational, and it's been a long, long time since we've had a big that can score some. So he's deserving of his 25-30mpg, even though he's getting closer to 35 recently. So between he and Wallace, that only leaves 31 minutes for Noc, TT, Noah and Gray.

Noc signed a $8m contract this offseason, so he "needs" to get his 25. Deng's our best player so he's going to get 34, leaving 14 at SF. Now take 11 more at PF for Noc (even though he's WAY out of position at PF) for his 25, leaves you with 20mpg for Noah, TT and Gray.

It's very, very difficult for any player to get into any kind of rhythm with 3 guys trying to split 20. At this point Boylan is just playing matchups with these guys, usually leaving one or two of them with DNP's. It really is a shame.

The simple solution is to send Wallace packing. Many of us have advocated just sending him home and eating the rest of the contract. Unfortunately, there's a reason why we're one of the most profitable NBA franchise's in existence. Our owner won't pay the tax, and he certainly won't send someone home while they collect free checks.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #130 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:40 pm

[quote="Sonny_D1"][/quote]

That may be true now, but he did send home Tim Thomas for 3/4 of a season for no apparent reason.

Sonny_D1 · Post #131 » by **Sonny_D1** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:57 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:That may be true now, but he did send home Tim Thomas for 3/4 of a season for no apparent reason.

That's true only becuase it was only a matter of time before he was going to be traded. Tim Thomas never had a spot on this team, for all the wrong reasons imo. It had nothing to do with his basketball skills, rather his personality off the court and the detriment Pax believed he'd be to the team.

So again, Thomas had some trade value and it was only a matter of time. Not to mention we pretty much HAD to take Thomas to complete the Curry deal. Which reminds me, Davis was supposed to be cut by the knicks and returned to the Bulls, only to be squashed by the league office. That whole thing was a mess, but in the end we ended up with the player you guys are discussing in this thread.

fam3381 · Post #132 » by **fam3381** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:11 pm

Thanks for the input, Sonny. I read BlogaBull occasionally and Kelly Dwyer's blog, who seem to echo what you're saying about the kids. I'm kinda surprised Paxson didn't condition Boylan's interim hiring on giving the youngsters more time, though I suppose Paxson is also the guy who gave Ben the megabucks. From a selfish Bucks perspective I hope you guys don't change a thing

Chapter29 · Post #133 » by **Chapter29** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:22 am

Well the Bulls are in a bit of a pickle in terms of PT, but I am going to tell you that no one is interested in Wallace and very few coaches would bench him if you ask me. If you trade for Wallace you better start him or you just got a huge 60M dollar cancer.

The Bulls are likely stuck with him and he may very well continue to consume PT for some time.

Given the Wallace situation and the fact that they have become such a poor team. Talented, but poor. A trade of some sort may be required. The Bucks would love to get their hands on Tyrus and probably Noah, but I just don't like that guy. He is the anti-CV, that I will give you.

I love Joe Smith. Very happy to see him continue to play well.

magpies · Post #134 » by **magpies** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:49 am

TT would be great here, but I if we do this I think we also need to trade for a Back up PF,
A future Bucks team of
MO
?
TT
YI
Bogut

would be great, I have ? at SG as I believe before the trade deadline or after this season Redd is gone.

LUKE23 · Post #135 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:00 am

jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

i do, if we've decided to trade cv i'd love to get noah, i'd much rather get him than tt

Well, you're drunk then. The guy isn't that good and he's a headcase. Him over TT? No way in goddam hell.

Chapter29 · Post #136 » by **Chapter29** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:12 am

magpies wrote:TT would be great here, but I if we do this I think we also need to trade for a Back up PF,
A future Bucks team of
MO
?
TT
YI
Bogut

would be great, I have ? at SG as I believe before the trade deadline or after this season Redd is gone.

Huh?

TT is the backup PF. There is no way he plays SF. Better chance at playing C.