Post Game Thread Bucks - Raptors

[Epicurus]

Thats part of the NBA and everyone in the league goes through fatigue and 4 games in 5 night and long flights ect ect and they get compensated quite well for it I might add.Bottomline though if you can't handle that find a new profession.

Did you see the Pacers against the Bucks last night. Same thing--exhausted team by mid to late 3. If you go back to the game thread, you will see that I called the game over and a Bucks win when it was still within reach of Pacers. Why? Context and watching the change in the Pacers.

Yes, they all get paid much, but remuneration doesn't erase their being mortals.

[Epicurus]

Paul, I do agree regarding CV. There must be some substory to his playing time. He has been playing well. Yes, he has weaknesses, but what is good is good, and who else is playing that well at his position?

[WEFFPIM]

Just because the Bucks weren't expected to win or expected to be sharp, but that doesn't mean we can't be disappointed in the result. That's called being a fan, not just someone who analyzes for analysis' sake

[LUKE23]

Sorry Epi, but I think everyone agrees we shouldn't have expected to win this game, but sluffing off the absolute garbage that the team portrayed tonight just isn't going to happen. Regardless of schedule/opponent, that does not justify poor effort and selfish play. That happened yet again tonight.

Lots needs to change. This current cast of players/coaches/management/ownership will never be significant in the NBA landscape, of that I am positive.

Sadly, I think all of the above mentioned also know this, yet changes are not forthcoming.

Oh well, life as a Bucks fan.

[jerrod]

i'm not as upset as some of you guys

yeah, the rotations were awful, the rebounding was pretty bad, and which relative of lk did cv kill?


but we had a ton of open jumpers and 3's and if we had made them at a decent % it would have been a different game

[paul]

Paul, I do agree regarding CV. There must be some substory to his playing time. He has been playing well. Yes, he has weaknesses, but what is good is good, and who else is playing that well at his position?

There were people on this board who were disappointed in the rumor that he's requested a trade. If I was him I would have requested a trade in the strongest possible terms long ago, to anywhere but here. If he gets picked up and put into a decent system this guy will put up very good numbers and we'll all say 'oh that would be right, he only becomes a good player after leaving the bucks, Milwaukee hates you'.

The fact that Yi is getting minutes over CV at this point is the single biggest indictment on the coaching and/or organisation structure there is. The 'if you don't play D you sit' theory of his limited minutes doesn't fly on a night when he was one of the better defenders we had.

[LUKE23]

i'm not as upset as some of you guys

yeah, the rotations were awful, the rebounding was pretty bad, and which relative of lk did cv kill?


but we had a ton of open jumpers and 3's and if we had made them at a decent % it would have been a different game

I'm telling jerrod you stole his RealGM password, LK.

This team is awful and has major chemistry issues man, lets not try and spin it as anything else.

[Max Green]

I've been calling for Larry K's firing for weeks now. The fact of the matter is the guy is not ready to be a NBA head coach. His sub patterns suck, the team always gets blown out every third quater, after the opposing coach is able to make adjustments to their gameplan while our coach makes none. It also took him half a season to realise that the offense should be played Inside-Out with it being run through Bogut (which many of us ways saying was the way to go before the season even started).

I think with a better coach we would atleast be a 500. team by now.

[LUKE23]

I've been calling for Larry K's firing for weeks now. The fact of the matter is the guy is not ready to be a NBA head coach. His sub patterns suck, the team always gets blown out every third quater, after the opposing coach is able to make adjustments to their gameplan while our coach makes none. It also took him half a season to realise that the offense should be played Inside-Out with it being run through Bogut (which many of us ways saying was the way to go before the season even started).

I think with a better coach we would atleast be a 500. team by now.

Preposterous. While I agree LK is not a good coach, this team is built to fail. Lack of defenders, lack of balance, and a plethera of mentally weak players who cannot handle stressful/tough situations. While a better coach might get a couple more wins, no coach is getting this roster to the playoffs.

The worst part is, the current regime either completely believes this team can be a contender, which makes them incompetent, or they know they cannot, which makes them indifferent. Either way, it sucks.

[jerrod]

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I'm telling jerrod you stole his RealGM password, LK.

This team is awful and has major chemistry issues man, lets not try and spin it as anything else.

yeah, i agree that overall we do and something needs to happen. that being said though, if we shoot a normal % and cv gets more minutes, the game is much much closer and maybe we have a chance to win.


and i agree about a coaching change not making everything better, i think the right coach would make a nice difference but we don't get that kind of coach anyway

[unklchuk]

I can mostly put the loss behind me, for Epi's reasons and others. But not completely, because I'm left with the feeling that tonight's team didn't play together, didn't agree on The Plan, and wasn't really trying to execute a coordinated attack.

They were down by about 30 when I switched at 8 to Monk. That gap seemed an accurate reflection of how non-competitive they were. It didn't seem like lack of execution, or fatigue. It seemed like purposelessness. First, forced behavior (the guards feeding Bogut) attended by confusion and indecisiveness. And then moving away from feeding Bogut to a plan of Nothing Much.

While I personally think a rookie coach is owed a year or so to learn his profession - and to learn how not to speak about it in the media - I cannot get past the feeling that this team is handled clumsily. Very clumsily. The players show no real sign that they feel the coach is exercising leadership. And the bad things that happen, like second half swoons, are not met with positive reaction. And the substitution patterns, like Charlie V, seem irritatingly bad.

A loss is only a loss, and when my team has so many troubles, the loss doesn't stand out from the many others. But tonight's game showed very little to build on.

Blow the team up? No. Look to address the deep systemic problems? I hope so. Still hope so.

[Duncanfan]

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There were people on this board who were disappointed in the rumor that he's requested a trade. If I was him I would have requested a trade in the strongest possible terms long ago, to anywhere but here. If he gets picked up and put into a decent system this guy will put up very good numbers and we'll all say 'oh that would be right, he only becomes a good player after leaving the bucks, Milwaukee hates you'.

The fact that Yi is getting minutes over CV at this point is the single biggest indictment on the coaching and/or organisation structure there is. The 'if you don't play D you sit' theory of his limited minutes doesn't fly on a night when he was one of the better defenders we had.

I agree, CV has been the better player for quite sometime now. Its the supposed minutes promise that has been made to Yi and his "handlers" as well as the fact that LK doesn't seem to be a big fan of CV. I saw the Toronto feed for today's game and one of their commentators said he had spoken to CV before the game to catch up and all, and CV clearly mentioned that he is not happy and is frustrated at the lack of opportunity and lack of appreciation for his efforts from the coaches. One of my friends works for the Air Canada Centre and he also got along quite famously with CV, CV told him the same thing today and that he hopes somehow they trade him to a team where his talent is used properly.

Also, Milwaukee's offence has this "Free for all" feel to it. Just take a shot whenever you want, who cares about offensive structure.

[rilamann]

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Preposterous. While I agree LK is not a good coach, this team is built to fail. Lack of defenders, lack of balance, and a plethera of mentally weak players who cannot handle stressful/tough situations. While a better coach might get a couple more wins, no coach is getting this roster to the playoffs.

The worst part is, the current regime either completely believes this team can be a contender, which makes them incompetent, or they know they cannot, which makes them indifferent. Either way, it sucks.

I sort of agree with Champ,if this team had a decent coach they would be .500 maybe even a few games over.

Im not saying we have great talent or enough talent to win 45-50 games or anything like that but I think this team has enough talent to be at least .500 in the mediocre at best East.

Then agian I also think this team's overall basketball IQ as a team is a joke so maybe from that standpoint you could argue even with a good coach they'd still suck.

I think if your talking pure talent this is a 40/45 win team.

But its the low team IQ and having head coach that has no bussiness being a head coach in the NBA with his mediocre staff thats keeping us from that 40/45 win area.

Bottomline though we suck,scrap the roster and build around Bogut & Yi & keep Mo around as a 6th man.

And then of course get an NBA caliber proven head coach,JVG Rick Carlise anyone?

[jerrod]

i can't blame cv at all


i really like him, but there was always that speck in my mind that if he played hard decent defense lk would give him the minutes he deserves


that speck is dead

[midranger]

Lack of offensive cohesion?

Well, working on implementing the triangle offense all summer and then scrapping it after about 5 games probably doesn't help. That is an oft overlooked black mark on LK's resume at this point. One that I really don't understand.

The offense last year wasn't broken. It was actually quite good for all the injuries sustained, etc.... Why LK didn't just add Bogut's 6 plays to that same base offense is beyond me. Try to get too cute and you get burned.

Rather than WASTE (literally) all that time on the triangle, perhaps we could have been learning our rotation assignments for that crappy zone we run. Hell, perhaps we could have learned what type of teams the zone is most effective against (hint: it's not the jumpshooting ones). Perhaps he could have focused on some of the finer points of rotations, like not forgetting that your starters may still be on the bench even though you're 6 minutes into the 4th quarter. Whatever.

[El Duderino]

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I sort of agree with Champ,if this team had a decent coach they would be .500 maybe even a few games over.

Im not saying we have great talent or enough talent to win 45-50 games or anything like that but I think this team has enough talent to be at least .500 in the mediocre at best East

I think if your talking pure talent this is a 40/45 win team.

No way

Outside of Mo/Redd/Bogut, there isn't a guy on the roster that should be starting for an NBA team and the bench is garbage. You could have a coaching staff of Larry Brown with Karl and JVG as assistants and this team wouldn't sniff a .500 record. Hell, the Nets are 6 games under .500 with Kidd/Carter/Jefferson.

I'm not a fan of what i've seen from Krystkowiak, he seems in over his head. That doesn't take away from the fact this franchise needs a big time infusion of talent and better mix if they intend to ever win.

[dunhill]

Most bad teams show some hstle, some grit. It makes it easier to watch those kind of teams. I've watched a fair few Minny games this year and even though they suck they always compete. I look at the bucks on TV and its 12 guys so dispirited. Bucks games are different, no one digs in, no one fights. A few gys do it but it looks like they're disheartened because no-one ever appreciates it or responds

With all the supposed locker room rifts, maybe its best if there is an actual fight instead of the silent treatment, just to resolve everything.

[Hendrix]

Tough loss Bucks fans. I gotta say though I was really impressed with Bogut. Dude is pretty solid on the block, and Bargnani wasn't giving him easy shots down there. CV looked good too. Redd is one of the most dangerous shooters in the league. Probably going to need to shuffle up the team a bit, and make some trades but definitly some great players to build around.

[Andrew34r]

Tough loss Bucks fans. I gotta say though I was really impressed with Bogut. Dude is pretty solid on the block, and Bargnani wasn't giving him easy shots down there. CV looked good too. Redd is one of the most dangerous shooters in the league. Probably going to need to shuffle up the team a bit, and make some trades but definitly some great players to build around.