Since We Love To Analyze Quotes

[Chapter29]

I could be wrong, but off the top of my head, i'd guess around 18-19 or the last 20 shots taken at the end of a half or last play in a tied game were an ISO for Redd or Mo which resulted in a jumper of varying difficulty level.

If the coaches aren't wanting these type of shots, they aren't doing a good job coaching because they keep happening. That leads me to think they are fine with the iso jumpers.

Ding ding ding.

This is what I am saying.

Ugly basketball. Now maybe this one particular play wasn't entirely Mo's fault, I still will not agree with what he did.

Safe you say trwi7? I would have tried to create some movement and not just pull up on 2 guys.

[trwi7]

Safe you say trwi7? I would have tried to create some movement and not just pull up on 2 guys.

Yes, it was safe. Would you rather have him set up for a play they're not prepared for and then have them running around like a bunch of idiots frantically trying to set it up and possibly turning it over?

He didn't pull up on two guys either. It was a soft double and the guy who was doubling didn't even challenge his shot.

[Nowak008]

I could be wrong, but off the top of my head, i'd guess around 18-19 or the last 20 shots taken at the end of a half or last play in a tied game were an ISO for Redd or Mo which resulted in a jumper of varying difficulty level.

If the coaches aren't wanting these type of shots, they aren't doing a good job coaching because they keep happening. That leads me to think they are fine with the iso jumpers.

Most coaching staffs are fine with that play. Not saying its a good thing. A lot of teams in the NBA do the same thing. It happens all the time.

[Chapter29]

Yes, it was safe. Would you rather have him set up for a play they're not prepared for and then have them running around like a bunch of idiots frantically trying to set it up and possibly turning it over?

He didn't pull up on two guys either. It was a soft double and the guy who was doubling didn't even challenge his shot.

The problem is, it that its the same ole thing. Planned or not it still occurred. We had one of our guards dominate the ball only to pull up for a bad shot. Mo and his dribble dribble and just pull up for a 3 as the clock runs down is getting just a bit old. I have seen it enough and I am sure other teams are well aware of this tendency. The defense is obviously prepared for it. With that said, I would have tried to create some movement and maybe a better shot if the play broke down as reported. What did Mo do? The same thing he seems to always do, jack up a pull up 3. I never thought I would start to regret the games that he hit game winners in this fashion.

[trwi7]

I agree it gets old but in this case it never should have happened if Yi would have set the pick.

So Mo's options are either try to set up another play quickly, try to penetrate into the lane where Haywood easily would've slid in and try to shoot over him or kick it out to Bogut who has an 18-20 foot jumper that he may not even have time to get off or take the 3 as time runs out. None of the options were good and none of the options would have happened if Yi would have set the pick.

[Chapter29]

Most coaching staffs are fine with that play. Not saying its a good thing. A lot of teams in the NBA do the same thing. It happens all the time.

This may very well be true, but I am sorry if I have a chance to win the game with the last possession, I am looking for something to the hoop. A chance for a foul or a bucket. Or in Bogut's case also a chance at a double team and a kick out for a wide open 3 by Mo or Redd.

I know certain players love this kind of shot, like Arenas for example. That guy hits a crazy number of those. Baffling.

[paulpressey25]

Let me add some Zapruder film stuff to this discussion.

I thought I overheard Larry K. in his postgame interview on WSSP talk about that last play and make some comment along the lines of..."Well, we had a different play called there, BUT we weren't going to force anything because we didn't want to turn the ball over to them with a bad pass and give them a chance to score and win"

I may be making stuff up there since I was working in the other room with the radio on, but it made sense to me. i.e. if Mo doesn't think he's got something going 100%, better him to hang onto it and take the shot rather than turn it over.

So I think everybody is right here....The play may have not been designed for Mo to shoot, but did rely on Mo's judgement at the time whether to execute something.

Mo either did a brilliant thing in hanging onto the ball and not forcing it or Mo is an inferior PG and even Mike Wilks could have run that play but Mo had to because he's a ballhog and wanted the shot......take your pick depending on which side you are on here.

[Ayt]

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This quote is not about who takes the last shot. Did you not see the part "with the game tied" or are you willfully ignoring it to try to make some nonexistent point? The quote is about not leaving time for the opposition to have an opportunity to win the game in regulation in case of a miss. Period.

Exactly.

That being said, we've definitely taken some terrible shots in those situations this year.

Edit:

"It wasn't by design," guard Mo Williams said."It's a tough call in that situation," Williams said. "I'm comfortable from the three-point and in my head I always want to make sure I get the last shot with the game tied. You don't want to shoot it too quick. When you penetrate you have to take the first shot available and it might be a little quick. It's a tough shot shooting a three at the end of the game, but I'm comfortable with that shot. I just missed it. I was getting by my man all night but at that time, you have to go with your instincts."


Full quote.

LOL @ Hillary.

I guess I should have read more of the thread before replying. Good find.

[midranger]

Let me add some Zapruder film stuff to this discussion.

I thought I overheard Larry K. in his postgame interview on WSSP talk about that last play and make some comment along the lines of..."Well, we had a different play called there, BUT we weren't going to force anything because we didn't want to turn the ball over to them with a bad pass and give them a chance to score and win"

I may be making stuff up there since I was working in the other room with the radio on, but it made sense to me. i.e. if Mo doesn't think he's got something going 100%, better him to hang onto it and take the shot rather than turn it over.

So I think everybody is right here....The play may have not been designed for Mo to shoot, but did rely on Mo's judgement at the time whether to execute something.

Mo either did a brilliant thing in hanging onto the ball and not forcing it or Mo is an inferior PG and even Mike Wilks could have run that play but Mo had to because he's a ballhog and wanted the shot......take your pick depending on which side you are on here.

The essential part to the pick and roll is the pick. No PG in the universe can run the one man pick and roll.

[midranger]

More quotes, this time Europa style...

Michael Redd:

"I knew I would be a hindrance more than a help."

"I...bullet...shot...Mo (Williams)...and Andrew (Bogut)...as well."

Redd admits to hurting the team, and then to shooting Mogut with bullets. Will the same standard be applied to him as Zach Randolph?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/bucks/archive...urday.aspx

[europa]

It never ceases to amaze me what a complete and total tool you are 99% of the time.

[midranger]

It never ceases to amaze me what a complete and total tool you are 99% of the time.

Speaking of tools, Redd speaks on his sex life?


"It's been hard...I still love...vibes...to keep plugging away...only...what I can control."

Choir boy? You decide.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=755167

[paulpressey25]

I think we've run this one into the ground....