Redd will miss Nets & Philly games

[paul]

If I was God (I acknowledge there is insufficient evidence to believe I am, although I suppose the jury is still out) I would use my Earth Remote to turn down the volume of Redd bashing in this forum.

The points have all been made 100X over. They have less validity than is believed so rigidly by their proponents. And they bore me.

(One of the purposes of this forum is to not bore unklchuk. Confirm this with MD if you doubt. But bear in mind, there are straight-back chairs in Hell - all in a circle around the eternal flames - for doubters.

Yep. Whilst I'm not the biggest fan of Redd in the world, and am happy for him to be traded if (and only if) the right deal comes along, the bashing on here is getting ridiculous. The sheer volume of it becomes extremely boring, and a lot of it is grossly overstated. Team USA are obviously in the habit of picking chumps to represent the greatest basketballing nation on earth now.

[Dags]

If he doesn't like to be 2nd banana to Bogut then I don't see how could he like to be 2nd banana to any other player. What is there to not like about Drew? Bogut play defense and give maximum effort for that, he is unselfish, he is inteligent, he is passionate, he sacriface his body for team, he is unstopable inside, he wants to win and he is #1 pick. If you can't accept that guy to be your leader then I don't think you will accept anybody to be your leader.

I get that point of view, but I think there is a psychological difference between being demoted in a system that you've been the top of, and slotting in at a different position in a new organisation. In one case he'd fight to keep his historical status, in the other case he'd have no historical status to maintain and therefore might adjust better.

I mean, it's difficult to really know how he'd fit in without seeing the team he'd go to. If it was Orlando, where he'd be one of many perimeter specialists living off Howard then he might not like it - it's similar to his situation here. But in Phoenix he'd probably love playing off Steve Nash, getting to just run and gun and live off Steves ability to read the defense.

He might not like losing his top dog position here, but I think he'd adjust better if he were to go to a number of other teams.

[europa]

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A ballhogging SG and a 3 point specialist off the bench are 2 different things.

And yet, everyone connected to Team USA was very impressed with how he played. What a bum.

[europa]

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Yep. Whilst I'm not the biggest fan of Redd in the world, and am happy for him to be traded if (and only if) the right deal comes along, the bashing on here is getting ridiculous. The sheer volume of it becomes extremely boring, and a lot of it is grossly overstated. Team USA are obviously in the habit of picking chumps to represent the greatest basketballing nation on earth now.

Well said. I haven't been overly enamored with Bucks' management lately but at least they seem to be taking a much more intelligent approach with regard to Redd than what the masses are asking for in this forum. I give them plenty of credit for that.

[jerrod]

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And yet, everyone connected to Team USA was very impressed with how he played. What a bum.

well, yeah, all he had to do was come in and shoot

that's what he does, why wouldn't they be impressed?

[Sigra]

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And yet, everyone connected to Team USA was very impressed with how he played. What a bum.

Even Daniel Santiago and Jiri Welsh look good at that level of competition. And they don't have 11 NBA players in their team to help them.

[showtimesam]

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If he doesn't like to be 2nd banana to Bogut then I don't see how could he like to be 2nd banana to any other player. What is there to not like about Drew? Bogut play defense and give maximum effort for that, he is unselfish, he is inteligent, he is passionate, he sacriface his body for team, he is unstopable inside, he wants to win and he is #1 pick. If you can't accept that guy to be your leader then I don't think you will accept anybody to be your leader.

Wow, its good to see you flip flopped again and are back on the bogut bandwagon.

I remember taking abuse the few times i've posted when I talked about how the bucks need to get the ball down in to bogut to be successful.

[Isocleas2]

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If he doesn't like to be 2nd banana to Bogut then I don't see how could he like to be 2nd banana to any other player. What is there to not like about Drew? Bogut play defense and give maximum effort for that, he is unselfish, he is inteligent, he is passionate, he sacriface his body for team, he is unstopable inside, he wants to win and he is #1 pick. If you can't accept that guy to be your leader then I don't think you will accept anybody to be your leader.

That's a bunch of bullcrap Sigra. This is the first month that Bogut has actually played consistently at an all-star level. I don't blame Redd for not wanting to be 2nd bananna to a guy who until recently, was incredibly inconsistent.

You can talk about him not having plays run for him, coaches out to get him, blah blah blah. But the fact remains Bogut was no where near ready to be a #1 option. Hell, he still can't shoot outside of 8 feet.

[europa]

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well, yeah, all he had to do was come in and shoot

that's what he does, why wouldn't they be impressed?

They were impressed with his approach on the court, how hard he worked and his overall level of play. It wasn't just the fact he can shoot pretty well.

Even Daniel Santiago and Jiri Welsh look good at that level of competition. And they don't have 11 NBA players in their team to help them.

Yup, that's the level of talent Redd resides with. Excellent analogy. Bogut's looked good in international play too. We might as well lump him in with Santiago and Welsh too.

[Sigra]

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Wow, its good to see you flip flopped again and are back on the bogut bandwagon.

I remember taking abuse the few times i've posted when I talked about how the bucks need to get the ball down in to bogut to be successful.

That's what bad coaching end selfish guards can do to good C. Even his bigest suporters can start to doubt in him. I always knew that coach and bad guards can make C look bad. But I didn't know how much.

Also, there are always fightings between my brain and my heart. My brain was telling me all this years that Bogut is this good and that coach and guards make him look bad. But in my heart I am big Bucks fan and I want to support them always. If Bucks have direction to trust their guards and ignore their C than my heart want to support that because in my heart Bucks can do no wrong. People will tell that I flip flop but that is just fight between my brain and my heart. Sometimes my heart win and I support what ever Bucks do (including ignoring Bogut) and sometime my brain win I support what is inteligent and logical.

[Sigra]

That's a bunch of bullcrap Sigra.

I don't insult you so it would be good if you don't insult me. If you can't talk without insults then we will not talk period.

You can talk about him not having plays run for him, coaches out to get him, blah blah blah.

Then blah blah blah

[Sigra]

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Yup, that's the level of talent Redd resides with. Excellent analogy. Bogut's looked good in international play too. We might as well lump him in with Santiago and Welsh too.

It should just show us that what some players do in FIBA basketball has no real connection with NBA basketball. I thought you are inteligent enough to understand that.

[europa]

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It should just show us that what some players do in FIBA basketball has no real connection with NBA basketball. I thought you are inteligent enough to understand that.

I am. But what is relevant is how impressed those connected to Team USA were with Redd. That speaks not only to his talent but how he is regarded by some of the top people (and players) in the game. And that supports my point that he isn't the bum you and so many others in this forum make him out to be.

I really need to just stop defending him even when the criticisms are so horribly inaccurate. This forum has never appreciated him and it isn't going to change now. Oh well.

[Sigra]

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I am. But what is relevant is how impressed those connected to Team USA were with Redd. That speaks not only to his talent but how he is regarded by some of the top people (and players) in the game. And that supports my point that he isn't the bum you and so many others in this forum make him out to be.

Was there any member of USA national team that got public critics from those connected to Team USA?

Also you ignore context. USA team has been losing in international competition. They needed to find reason why and to explain to USA people why the were losing AND more importantly what they changed to not lose again. This is most important thing here. They basicly say "yes we were losing but that is because we didn't have outside shoters in our team. We will not lose again because now we have outside shoters".

You see, having Redd there is not only important for quality of their play. Even more than that it is important for PR purposes. That's why they will spend a lot of time talking good about Redd. He is their PR horse to give some hope to angry nation.