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A realistic trade involving Mo Williams

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A realistic trade involving Mo Williams 

Post#1 » by Tha King » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:58 pm

between CHA and MIL.

Buck trade:
Mo Williams
Noel (exp)
Ruffins (exp)

Bucks receive:
Felton
Anderson (exp)
Harrington (exp)


Why the Bucks do this: Tons of scorers on the team, no facilitator. With Felton, you get a pass first PG who would get the ball to Redd and Bogut. You also would not have to trade Redd because there will now be plenty of shots available. Felton is also a very good defender.

Why the Bobcats do this: Their coach believes Felton is a combo guard (doesn't know what he is talking about). Felton is playing out of position right now at SG. His stock is slipping, trade him while he has value, before he leaves after his contract is up. They need more scoring, Mo provides that. He can also play that off guard role for them.

When Felton was a full time starter last year, and this year, he played well (plenty of 15+ assist games). Both teams win imo
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Post#2 » by europa » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:02 pm

I'd rather have Mo than Felton.
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Post#3 » by 75totheMACCfund » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:04 pm

i gotta watch more games with felton...but I remember him putting up big numbers last year when he played PG with Knight out...I like Felton a lot...I would like to get back more for Mo or dump Gadz or Simmons on them...But for the most part, I would consider this trade with a sense of confidence that Felton could provide the leadership and PG skills the bucks need to balance Redds' demand for the ball and the touches Bogut deserves.
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Post#4 » by BuckFan25226 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:05 pm

europa wrote:I'd rather have Mo than Felton.



Wait, really?
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Post#5 » by europa » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:09 pm

BuckFan25226 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




Wait, really?


Yup. I don't think Felton has developed as expected. I think he's talented but I don't view him as the strong distributor I think the Bucks need and he isn't anything to write home about defensively. I think Mo is the superior player.
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Post#6 » by fam3381 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:13 pm

At first I thought it was a stupid idea...I mean, Felton always struck me as something of a poor man's Mo Williams. But he doesn't shoot much (in part because he's a poor finisher and below-average three-point shooter), has good assist numbers and he does apparently have a rep for being a solid defender. I find it worrying that he hasn't really improved in the NBA...His PER has decreased each season and is now below 13. But then again, that's why the Bobs would consider trading him. Hollinger's scouting report:

2006-07 season: Felton is an ace at getting to the basket; it's just a shame the Bobcats can't bring in a relief pitcher to make the shot once he gets there. He's proven himself to be among the worst finishers in the game, constantly making dazzling drives and then botching the layup at the end.

For the year, Felton hit 43.8 percent of his shots in the immediate basket area; he and Derek Fisher are the only two players to make under 45 percent in each of the past two seasons. But unlike other players who shoot poor percentages from close-in (Fisher, Jannero Pargo, Matt Carroll, Ben Gordon, and Luke Ridnour, to name a few), Felton takes a ton of shots near the rim -- more than half his attempts have come from there each of the past two seasons.

Obviously, with the bulk of his attempts coming on shots he has trouble making, his overall shooting numbers are poor. Felton made only 38.4 percent from the field, undermining what otherwise was a very solid second pro season. He created a lot of shots, had decent assist and turnover numbers, defended competently, and hit enough 3s for defenses to respect his shot. He just couldn't make a layup.

Scouting report: Felton's penetration skills are his primary asset. He is very quick off the dribble, can go with either hand and is effective pushing the ball in transition. He has good court vision, too, and might be able to indulge that part of his game more now that he has a few teammates who can score. While Felton has a reputation as a poor outside shooter, he's actually done decently from outside the past couple seasons. Instead, finishing at the rim has been his big problem.

Defensively, it would be nice if he were an inch or two taller, but Felton does a good job keeping opposing guards in front of him and doesn't appear to have any glaring weaknesses. Opponents rarely attacked him since some of his teammates were such easy targets, but that might change this season.
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Post#7 » by Tha King » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:20 pm

what you guys have to look at is the position he has been forced to play (due to coaching and personnel). His rookie year he exploded late in the season. Instead of starting the next year, he came off the bench for Knight (and the team was not contending for the playoffs). When Knight went down, he had a ton of great ball games. This year he started at PG, started off playing very well, and then all of a sudden he gets moved to the two spot. He really has not gotten to play the PG position full time in the nba, which has led to his production not improving on a yearly bases. The talent is there.
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Post#8 » by 75totheMACCfund » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:23 pm

Tha King wrote:what you guys have to look at is the position he has been forced to play (due to coaching and personnel). His rookie year he exploded late in the season. Instead of starting the next year, he came off the bench for Knight (and the team was not contending for the playoffs). When Knight went down, he had a ton of great ball games. This year he started at PG, started off playing very well, and then all of a sudden he gets moved to the two spot. He really has not gotten to play the PG position full time in the nba, which has led to his production not improving on a yearly bases. The talent is there.


THat's the felton I know and have watched in the past...admittedly, I haven't watched much this year, but I liked his game when he played the PG and got a lot of burn
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Post#9 » by LUKE23 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:36 pm

Felton is not really a pass first PG and he has a worse shooting % than Mo by quite a bit. No thanks.

Felton has never lived up to his draft billing. If he had, they would be winning more games running with Gerald Wallace, Emeka Okafor, and Jason Richardson.
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Post#10 » by Chapter29 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:36 pm

I see Felton in a similar light to Mo. A bit of a combo guard.

I'll just keep Mo.
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Post#11 » by El Duderino » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:00 pm

I never watch the Bobcats except when we play them, my only thoughts on Felton mainly come from stats. His shooting percentages are horrible.

With that said, if this trade was ever offered, i'd have to strongly consider it. The Bucks at times might have to take some chances to acquire high end talent and this could be one of those risks. Trading a more productive player right now for a guy who was a top 5 talent in the draft and then hope Felton finally puts it together here.

That would be on the scouts though to get a feel of whether they thought Felton can develop into a top shelf starting PG instead of being just a swing guard. If they think he'll always be more a swing guard, then i'd for sure pass given how poorly he shoots.
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Post#12 » by mcfromage » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:33 pm

I like this deal and agree that Felton has been miscast as a SG by the Cats. Sign me up!
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Post#13 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:41 pm

This screams lateral move to me. I would only be in favor of moving Mo if a clear upgrade was coming back. Ruffin is certainly not a deal breaker but I like what he brings to the court more than the other two scrubs we are getting back. No deal.
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Post#14 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:44 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Felton is not really a pass first PG and he has a worse shooting % than Mo by quite a bit. No thanks.

Felton has never lived up to his draft billing. If he had, they would be winning more games running with Gerald Wallace, Emeka Okafor, and Jason Richardson.

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