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Post#61 » by europa » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:52 pm

Bogut is definitely getting a more consistent role in the offense and that's been critical in his improvement in my opinion. However, his post game is light years ahead of where it's been in the past - including the first two months of this season. We can debate how the former is impacting the latter but there's no question in my mind his game is much more polished and assertive now than it has ever been.
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Post#62 » by jerrod » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:55 pm

europa wrote:Bogut is definitely getting a more consistent role in the offense and that's been critical in his improvement in my opinion. However, his post game is light years ahead of where it's been in the past - including the first two months of this season. We can debate how the former is impacting the latter but there's no question in my mind his game is much more polished and assertive now than it has ever been.



absolutely

there's no doubt in my mind that given the touches, the bogut of last year wouldn't be doing anything like this
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Post#63 » by europa » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:59 pm

jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




absolutely

there's no doubt in my mind that given the touches, the bogut of last year wouldn't be doing anything like this


I'm not sure the Bogut of November or December would either. I have no idea what flipped the switch on and frankly I don't care all that much. I'm just damn glad it's gone on and it's staying on.
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Post#64 » by Sigra » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:42 pm

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If you look at FGA per game, he's only getting 2 more per game in this 15 game stretch. So it's not as if he's hoisting up a crazy amount of shots or anything. He's simply been way more effective and efficient with the ball.


He is getting only 2 more FGA per game only because he is double teamed now. Almost always. So that is not good argument.

Again, I agree that Bogut worked on his game during summer. But IMO what he improved most is his defense. I saw this same hook shot last year only he played mostly at high post and didn't have plays called for him.

This is all you need to know:

Bogut last year:
12.3 PPG
3.0 AST
55.3 FG%
57.7 FT%

Then he had offseason when you think that he improved his offansive game. After that offseason:

Bogut in November:
12.9 PPG
1.4 AST
53.0 FG%
56.5 FT%

Bogut in December:
11.1 PPG
2.5 AST
49.4 FG%
48.9 FT%

Great offseason indeed

Then coach decided to call plays for him and we have this:

Bogut in January:
17.4 PPG
3.1 APG
57.8 FG%
60% FT%

It should be clear that Bogut is confidence player and that his offseason didn't result in anything. Change of coaching philosphy made all the diference.

But I am done with this topic. If people want to be stuborn about this I can't do anything about that. All is clear. Stats show it all. Quotes are there as well. Nothing more to say about this. Think whatever you want to think.
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Post#65 » by Sigra » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:45 pm

europa wrote:I have no idea what flipped the switch on



:eek1: You don't?
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Post#66 » by Sigra » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:59 pm

europa wrote:I have no idea what flipped the switch


Ok I will help you a little:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=704415

In an attempt to breathe some life into an often stagnant offense, the Milwaukee Bucks unveiled a secret weapon Sunday in their victory over the Charlotte Bobcats.

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Andrew Bogut the Australian scoring machine.

Working productively around the basket, Bogut scored a season-high 25 points. And that was no accident, since before that game coach Larry Krystkowiak had added a handful of plays to the team's repertoire that had Bogut's name on them.

And that was just fine with Bogut.

"It's good for my confidence knowing that the coach is trying to get me the ball," he said. "Even if I missed a couple shots, he still came back to me, which is a good sign."

It's not as if Bogut's offensive abilities are an unknown quantity, it's just that with the Bucks' perimeter-oriented attack, he doesn't get a chance to show them off very often.

The Bucks have been searching for ways to manufacture points - especially with guard Michael Redd sidelined with a thigh injury - and on Sunday, Krystkowiak decided to look more in Bogut's direction. The plan is to keep him involved in the offense.

"We're certainly going to do that," Krystkowiak said. "I think what's gone on in the past is we've have a couple of sets that throw it to Andrew and he hasn't been productive and we've kind of stopped. I think from a coach's perspective, you have to have confidence in your big guy and that's what I'm doing is instilling that in him, that we're going to keep coming at you.

"We're looking to get him the ball inside and telling the other four guys, 'Look, take a peek at him in there.' It can be real effective. I don't think you can be a good team or a playoff team without having a serious post threat. And hopefully the rest of our shooters can fill in the gaps and we can become more productively offensively."

"We're just utilizing our weapons," Ivey said. "He's a weapon in the post and we haven't been going in there, so we just looked to him and he got the job done.
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Post#67 » by BuckFan25226 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:14 pm

Sigra wrote:But I am done with this topic



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Post#68 » by bigzy » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:32 pm

Sigra wrote:Last year we were losing without Redd. True. But I said then and I still think that the main reason for that was that Stotts still played same offense like Redd is there. Stotts was still playing "guards shot as soon as posible" offense even when Redd was out. He still didn't develop any play for Bogut. Bucks were still runing and guning like Redd was there only he was not. That was main reason why Bucks lost so many games without Redd last year.

I don't think that Bogut improved his offansive game that much this year. He just has plays for him this year. That's all. In November and December we saw same Bogut from last season (at offense) and then when Krystko put some plays for him everything changed. If Bogut improved his offense during summer than we would see that in November and December. But we didn't. We saw that ONLY when his coach decided to run some plays for him. Bugut did improve his defansive game during summer but I have no doubt that his offansive improvement is direct result of change in coaching philosophy in January. Stotts never made that change and was stuborn to play same guard oriented offense even when Redd was out.

Also last year when Redd was out we had other players out as wel which mettered.

Also we would not trade Redd for nothing


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YOUR LOVE AFFAIR WITH LK IS AMAZING, IF THE SAME THINGS WERE HAPPENNING WITH THIS TEAM AND TS WAS THE COACH you would be yelling for them to fire him. The team is losing and that is was was important, and trying to compare Redd being out this year to last year is a joke and you know it. (Even you had to put a small note that other players were out). I agree Bogut has made some progress as he should by his third year but is this team better than it was before the injuries last year?? Not according to the record, which by the way you always liked to quote that stat with TS. how is LH's record as a GM? LK's as a coach? You seem to have changed your tune about how important winning is?
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Post#69 » by trwi7 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:34 pm

Hooray for random capitalization and then randomly stopping it mid sentence.
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Post#70 » by bigzy » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:39 pm

europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I'm not sure the Bogut of November or December would either. I have no idea what flipped the switch on and frankly I don't care all that much. I'm just damn glad it's gone on and it's staying on.


Now the question is can they figure a way to get Redd and him both involved? I think the record speaks for itself, this team will not win with one of them playing well, it didn't happen when Redd did and it isn't happennig when Bogut is. REdd or whoever must become another threat, it can't be just either /or as neither can totally cary a team ala KObe or Lebron.
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Post#71 » by bigzy » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:42 pm

trwi7 wrote:Hooray for random capitalization and then randomly stopping it mid sentence.


Sorry, I caught it and decided not to correct it!!! :)

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