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[BuckSkins Fan]

Rafernix, you have great points, but I can only give you my word that AB,
and Bobby have been stressing to play defense. But it was quite obvious along time ago, that even the Good Lord can not get Redd CV, and Mo to play defense. No team can play 2on 5. It doesn`t work.

My perscription is a big time successful coach. My personal pick would Be Paul Silas. He would have respect on day 1. If he didn`t have your respect, you would be on the bench or traded.

Bobby is one of the few, maybe only, that doesn`t care about his stats. He plays to compete and to win. He is truly the definition of unselfish.

By the way Kwame Brown just got traded to Memphis. There does that expiring deal we needed.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Rafernix, you have great points, but I can only give you my word that AB,
and Bobby have been stressing to play defense. But it was quite obvious along time ago, that even the Good Lord can not get Redd CV, and Mo to play defense. No team can play 2on 5. It doesn`t work.

My perscription is a big time successful coach. My personal pick would Be Paul Silas. He would have respect on day 1. If he didn`t have your respect, you would be on the bench or traded.

Bobby is one of the few, maybe only, that doesn`t care about his stats. He plays to compete and to win. He is truly the definition of unselfish.

By the way Kwame Brown just got traded to Memphis. There does that expiring deal we needed.

I haven't been on board with the LK hiring since Day One.

Paul Silas, Rick Carlisle and Jeff Van Gundy are all sitting out there right now.


My personal preference is Rick Carlisle.

We are literally throwing seasons down the drain and being forced to watch a coach learn on the job. I am sick and tired of rookie coaches. Find someone that has done the job before and been somewhat successful.


Last night on the ProHoops show I told LK that at some point we need to stop force feeding the offense that he wants to run and instead look at the makeup of this team and devise a way to play to their competitive advantages.

Specifically this team is built to run and LK wants to grind it out. We just dont' have the personnel to play good defense. We should be trying to outscore our opponent every night (that might sound stupid but I hope you know what I'm trying to say, we're not going to win the game on the defensive end, so we damn well better win it on the offensive end)

[xTitan]

Rafernix, you have great points, but I can only give you my word that AB,
and Bobby have been stressing to play defense. But it was quite obvious along time ago, that even the Good Lord can not get Redd CV, and Mo to play defense. No team can play 2on 5. It doesn`t work.

My perscription is a big time successful coach. My personal pick would Be Paul Silas. He would have respect on day 1. If he didn`t have your respect, you would be on the bench or traded.

Bobby is one of the few, maybe only, that doesn`t care about his stats. He plays to compete and to win. He is truly the definition of unselfish.

By the way Kwame Brown just got traded to Memphis. There does that expiring deal we needed.

First off I am not big Larry K. fan, but Paul Silas?? What the hell has he ever won, or is it more of a race thing? Not trying to be controversial but Silas does not equal winner to me. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Silas run off from his last job because he couldn't relate to young players?I just find it way to damn easy to blame the coach for everything, when anyone can see this team does not give max efferot and perhaps thats just because of an overall lack of talent, I don't know. You mentiion the terrible defense of Mo, Redd, and CV...HELLO, everyone here has been saying that forever, that seems to be much more of a Ron Walter issue then a coaching issue........what are you really saying, everyone on this team wants to run, screw the halfcourt and going into the post? I just don't know what all these hard working young men (who you said don't practice hard) really want. Seems to me you are hinting that this team is very splintered and are blaming the coach for that, is that accurate?

[El Duderino]

Teams with multiple bad defenders will be poor defensively, this should come as no surprise. Playing the hire/fire coaches game every few years and expecting them to turn bad defenders into good ones is a recipe for failure.

If you had a bunch of turnover prone bricklayers on offense, should a coach be expected to make them have a good offense? Yet many fans expect coaches to perform magic with bad defenders by thinking it's mainly just an effort issue, when in reality good defenders not only try hard, they are skilled as defenders.

[rilamann]

Teams with multiple bad defenders will be poor defensively, this should come as no surprise. Playing the hire/fire coaches game every few years and expecting them to turn bad defenders into good ones is a recipe for failure.

If you had a bunch of turnover prone bricklayers on offense, should a coach be expected to make them have a good offense? Yet many fans expect coaches to perform magic with bad defenders by thinking it's mainly just an effort issue, when in reality good defenders not only try hard, they are skilled as defenders.

Good point and that is definatly something to keep in mind but I still think Larry K is in over his head and isnt NBA material.

The biggest problem with the Bucks though as we all know is the front office who builds the team.

It almost seems like the critera in the Bucks front office for what makes a good player is ''he can score 20pts so he must be good lets get this guy on our squad''.

Thats the philosiphy(sp) you'd expect from a 12 year old.

When the Bucks front office judges talent it seems as if they take zero account into a guy's...

Ability to defend and play defense.

A guy's character & heart.

Intangibles like leadership,hustle ect.

Watch a good team like Spurs or Suns for example,sure they have great talent but they also have a group of guys 1 thru 12 who bust their ass every night on both sides of the floor.

Guys (self motivated btw) who will push themselves to absolute exaustion every night because they want to win so bad.

But the Bucks put no stock in guys like that,its all about ''can they score'' or maybe ''is he a nice guy'' ''did he have a carrer game vs us'' did he used to play here''.

The Bucks have a group of guys who look like they could careless if they lose by 50.

Even if the Bucks had the same level of talent they have right now but they had guys who played their asses off every night and had great intangibles and pride we'd be over .500.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

AB,
and Bobby have been stressing to play defense. But it was quite obvious along time ago, that even the Good Lord can not get Redd CV, and Mo to play defense. No team can play 2on 5. It doesn`t work.

I can't accept this statement at face value, because I see Simmons as a big contributer to our problems on defense. Does he really see himself as one of the solutions on that end of the floor?

Bobby is one of the few, maybe only, that doesn`t care about his stats. He plays to compete and to win. He is truly the definition of unselfish.

Yahoo ranks him as the NBA's #71 SF in assists per game. In fact, check out the following "selfishness" metric:

Field Goals Attempted per Assist - (fg%)
Bobby Simmons = 5.6 (41%)
Michael Redd = 4.8 (44%)
Desmond Mason = 4.3 (47%)
Royal Ivey = 2.4 (42%)
Mo Williams = 2.1 (47%)
Charlie Bell = 1.9 (34%)

Of all our guards and small forwards, Simmons has the worst ratio of assists to shots, and aside from Bell, the worst fg% as well. In what way is he unselfish that I'm overlooking?

We could also look at fga's per minute on the court.

FGA's per minute
Redd - .45
Mo - .37
Simmons - .31
Bell - .28
Mason - .28
Ivey - .27

He takes fewer shots per minute than Redd and Mo, but since he also has fewer assists, it may be just because he gets the ball less in general (possibly by design because he shoots a lower percentage than they do, and creates fewer scoring opportunities for his teammates).

[EastSideBucksFan]

AB,
and Bobby have been stressing to play defense. But it was quite obvious along time ago, that even the Good Lord can not get Redd CV, and Mo to play defense. No team can play 2on 5. It doesn`t work.

I can't accept this statement at face value, because I see Simmons as a big contributer to our problems on defense. Does he really see himself as one of the solutions on that end of the floor?

Bobby is one of the few, maybe only, that doesn`t care about his stats. He plays to compete and to win. He is truly the definition of unselfish.

Yahoo ranks him as the NBA's #71 SF in assists per game. In fact, check out the following "selfishness" metric:

Field Goals Attempted per Assist - (fg%)
Bobby Simmons = 5.6 (41%)
Michael Redd = 4.8 (44%)
Desmond Mason = 4.3 (47%)
Royal Ivey = 2.4 (42%)
Mo Williams = 2.1 (47%)
Charlie Bell = 1.9 (34%)

Of all our guards and small forwards, Simmons has the worst ratio of assists to shots, and aside from Bell, the worst fg% as well. In what way is he unselfish that I'm overlooking?

We could also look at fga's per minute on the court.

FGA's per minute
Redd - .45
Mo - .37
Simmons - .31
Bell - .28
Mason - .28
Ivey - .27

He takes fewer shots per minute than Redd and Mo, but since he also has fewer assists, it may be just because he gets the ball less in general (possibly by design because he shoots a lower percentage than they do, and creates fewer scoring opportunities for his teammates).

Woah, adam, you're back

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Woah, adam, you're back

I read the board a few times over the past weeks, but didn't have time to post because I don't like posting something if I won't be back in the next few days to read the replies.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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I read the board a few times over the past weeks, but didn't have time to post because I don't like posting something if I won't be back in the next few days to read the replies.

Good to see you back. A break is always nice.


There hasn't been too much good happening lately.

I continue to post at work b/c I am bored.

[BuckSkins Fan]

What I am saying and I will be very clear about this. You have to pick 1 direction and stick to it. You cant say if you don`t defend you don`t play. Well, nobody defended, but kept playing. Well lets run the triangle offense it`s awesome. WTF? Has this dumbass bumped his head. It took the master Phil Jackson 3 full years to get the Bulls/ Lakers to get, oh wait, scrap that triangle crap, Redd go crazy, that`s a good idea, we will just run isos for Redd. WAIT. I want energy, if you don`t bring energy, you won`t play, well I don`t see energy and everyone is playing, WAIT, we are going run thru Bogut. WAIT, I read in the paper you and Redd had a little meetting and he can be Redd. I mean Redd used the word me 6 times in one paragraph. The team was not mentioned. So Redd can go nuts and shoot 29 times GREAT....WAIT. We are going back to Bogut. Wait, lets loose by 4fkin3 to the 76ers. Wait, lets.....hello, do you get it yet. He clearly has no idea what he has gotten into. This is not the mighty University of fkin Montana. We have been blown out by 20 what 12 times now. Atleast we lead the league in something.

Come on guys, how the hell do you honestly expect these players to know what is going on. They don`t. Trust me. Guys that have played ball all their life are now finding that they have no idea where to be, or what to do. They are humiliated, and embarrassed.

What issue do you want to discuss today....the team has serious chemistry issues.
Saturday we can talk about the players not liking eachother.
Sunday, we can take a break and go to church. Apparently I`m racist so I need to.
Monday, let` talk about our Point Guard position or is everyone happy with that?
Tuesday, we can talk about Redd, he killed JFK took 29 shots and could not give a rats ass about team ball. He also told Bush that Saddam had WMDs.
Wed, we can address the unbelieveable front office situation.
Thurs we can discuss the rotation that is sooo popular among the players.
Friday, Why is T Brown the only one with a problem out there?
Saturday, **** man I can go forever.

Finally, I do blame the coach for the splintered team. They were not like this in training camp. They were a tight knit group that really liked eachother and had tremendous hopes for this season. That`s not what they are now. Far from it.

Guys, I cant keep writing books like this. I got kids to raise. Just wait till I really get pissed off and tell you what is really going on.

[El Duderino]

My problem with the Bucks is they try to fix the bad defense and toughness issues via the bench and not the starting five. They'll bring in guys like Ivey or Bell in hopes of helping their defensive/toughness shortcomings, but these guys are fringe players.

Your starting five are the guys who play the most minutes and who have to be counted on to produce and set a mentality for the team. Your team leaders have to come from those five.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

BSF, I agree with your complaints about the coaching staff and lack of clear direction.

Just wait till I really get pissed off and tell you what is really going on.

Hmm.... How do I send you over the edge to get the juicy gossip???

Everything has been Simmons' fault all along. Mo and Villanueva are the only ones on the team doing anything right, but Bobby keeps sabotaging their plans.

Do we get the good stuff now???

[jerrod]

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Woah, adam, you're back

WITH A VENGEANCE!!!!!


wb

[BuckSkins Fan]

I was about to let er rip. I have never said Bobby is playing anything like he can. I can`t believe it`s him out there. That stat you just threw at me, blew me away. I mean blew me away.

Now Bobby is having a tough time with the smaller SF, because he is still just 85% from the injury, but improving. 100% is probably a month or so away. Also, and I asked europa to do the same thing, watch him on defense closely. He does what he is suppossed to do, only very few others do. Most of the times he gets beat, he`s caught trying to help someone else. He tries to block the lane, so their PG cant walk right it, because Mo will just watch him go by. CB and BS defense is getting killed because they try to help others.

When things are this bad, and by that I mean Bobby playing this bad, CB playing this bad, CV playing this bad, Mo, and the team playing this bad, something has to change.
That is what needs to happen is change.

Great post Adam, glad to have you back. The comment about AB and Bobby stressing defense was in camp. They quickly abandoned that theory.

[REDDzone]

I was about to let er rip. I have never said Bobby is playing anything like he can. I can`t believe it`s him out there. That stat you just threw at me, blew me away. I mean blew me away.

Now Bobby is having a tough time with the smaller SF, because he is still just 85% from the injury, but improving. 100% is probably a month or so away. Also, and I asked europa to do the same thing, watch him on defense closely. He does what he is suppossed to do, only very few others do. Most of the times he gets beat, he`s caught trying to help someone else. He tries to block the lane, so their PG cant walk right it, because Mo will just watch him go by. CB and BS defense is getting killed because they try to help others.

When things are this bad, and by that I mean Bobby playing this bad, CB playing this bad, CV playing this bad, Mo, and the team playing this bad, something has to change.
That is what needs to happen is change.

Great post Adam, glad to have you back. The comment about AB and Bobby stressing defense was in camp. They quickly abandoned that theory.

Great stuff man, I have to ask though. I remember a few weeks ago I asked you about Bobby's health, and you told me he is 100%.

Is the remaining limitations just rust and/or still getting into game shape and/or soreness from being thrown right back into an NBA season? Or is the 85% still concerning his foot? Thanks.

[xTitan]

Damn it...let it rip!..I want the truth!!!

[Buck You]

I hope the inside stuff is something cool like Sam Mitchell's early years in Toronto when he was picking fights with his players. Notably Vince Carter and Rafer Alston. LK and CV going at it in the locker room. That would be something to watch.