Bucks/Grizz Postgame

europa · Post #61 » by **europa** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 2:49 pm

Bogut hasn't had any sulking or attitude issues this season. I don't even think about that anymore. He has conquered that obstacle and it's no longer an issue in my opinion.

He was owned by Darko last night and that was very disappointing. As McGlocklin pointed out before the game, the Grizzlies were tailor-made for an inside attack. Villanueva took full advantage and had a great game but Bogut stunk pretty bad. He missed a ton of open shots near the hoop and as has been discussed his rebounding was pathetic. He has only 14 rebounds in his last three games and he's been held to 5 rebounds or less in four of his last six. That is inexcusable for a player of his ability. He needs to consistently 9+ rebounds a game and he should be getting 10+ in my opinion.

showtimesam · Post #62 » by **showtimesam** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 3:01 pm

CV should start the rest of this season. I wish Yi could play sf next to him, but he just doesn't seem to have the quickness to play small forward.

Make no mistake though, Yi will be the better powerforward in the next couple years. His shot is wayyyy better (struggling now but his form is flawless), and his defense has also shown potential to be very good.

CV is clearly the better scorer and rebounder at this point, and I do like his game. Sadly it appears both CV and Yi can't co-exist long term in milwaukee, but giving CV the starting nod the rest of the season allows us to boost his trade value and give Yi some rest.

Good game for CV, keep it up

Movieman · Post #63 » by **Movieman** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 3:06 pm

europa wrote:Bogut hasn't had any sulking or attitude issues this season. I don't even think about that anymore. He has conquered that obstacle and it's no longer an issue in my opinion.

He was owned by Darko last night and that was very disappointing. As McGlocklin pointed out before the game, the Grizzlies were tailor-made for an inside attack. Villanueva took full advantage and had a great game but Bogut stunk pretty bad. He missed a ton of open shots near the hoop and as has been discussed his rebounding was pathetic. He has only 14 rebounds in his last three games and he's been held to 5 rebounds or less in four of his last six. That is inexcusable for a player of his ability. He needs to consistently 9+ rebounds a game and he should be getting 10+ in my opinion.

How can anyone be consistent on a team that has no consistency. Someone is either playing over their head or playing horribly.

We don't have a set lineup, we don't have any real focal point to the offense, and as a result we have a inconsistent team that occasionally looks competent but often gets their heads handed to them.

showtimesam · Post #64 » by **showtimesam** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 3:07 pm

I agree that CV would have no problem being consistent if he was given consistent minutes.

I'll still take Yi long term though.

jerrod · Post #65 » by **jerrod** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 3:30 pm

showtimesam wrote:Make no mistake though, Yi will be the better powerforward in the next couple years. His shot is wayyyy better (struggling now but his form is flawless),

i don't think you can definitely say that he'll have a better shot because his form is better

and, people rip on cv if he doesn't take the ball inside but everyone raves about yi's long jumpers, frequently taken with his feet on the 3 point line

what's the deal with that?

paul · Post #66 » by **paul** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 4:28 pm

europa wrote:Bogut hasn't had any sulking or attitude issues this season. I don't even think about that anymore. He has conquered that obstacle and it's no longer an issue in my opinion.

He was owned by Darko last night and that was very disappointing. As McGlocklin pointed out before the game, the Grizzlies were tailor-made for an inside attack. Villanueva took full advantage and had a great game but Bogut stunk pretty bad. He missed a ton of open shots near the hoop and as has been discussed his rebounding was pathetic. He has only 14 rebounds in his last three games and he's been held to 5 rebounds or less in four of his last six. That is inexcusable for a player of his ability. He needs to consistently 9+ rebounds a game and he should be getting 10+ in my opinion.

Are we not overplaying it a bit to say he was OWNED by Darko last night? Bogut didn't have a good game, but Darko didn't hurt us, Bogut got 7 fewer rebounds which is a pretty big disparity so Darko takes the matchup sure but the rest of their comparitive stats were all about the same with a slight edge to Bogut. Plus he came up with a couple of big defensive plays, including a huge charge very late. If this is a poor game from Bogut I'm happy to take it, not sure Darko did too much owning.

europa · Post #67 » by **europa** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 4:30 pm

Paul, you know I'm a big Bogut fan but I thought he played poorly last night and I thought Darko looked pretty good. Darko was much better offensively near the basket and he rebounded much better. Again, Bogut stepped up late with 2 big FTs and the charge and both were great to see. But I thought he played a very poor game overall. I wasn't happy with his game at all and his rebounding in particular was extremely disappointing in my opinion.

paul · Post #68 » by **paul** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 4:40 pm

europa wrote:Paul, you know I'm a big Bogut fan but I thought he played poorly last night and I thought Darko looked pretty good. Darko was much better offensively near the basket and he rebounded much better. Again, Bogut stepped up late with 2 big FTs and the charge and both were great to see. But I thought he played a very poor game overall. I wasn't happy with his game at all and his rebounding in particular was extremely disappointing in my opinion.

Yep I agree Europa I don't think he played well, just thought saying Darko owned him was going a bit over the top. Didn't necessarily feel the urge to defend AB as I was disappointed with his game as well, just thought I'd point out that I felt it was pretty close to a break even contest, with Darko taking the points due to his far superior rebounding. Bogut's rebounding numbers were very very low, let's hope that's not a pattern. But like I said if that's a poor game I'm happy to take it as he still contributed, two or three months ago it wouldn't have been considered a poor game from him.

europa · Post #69 » by **europa** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:11 pm

I thought Darko outplayed him by a rather considerable margin. The Grizzlies probably made a mistake by not going to Darko more offensively. He was getting anything he wanted near the hoop against Bogut. I was just disappointed because this was the kind of matchup that Bogut has to win and win decisively. Instead, he got outplayed badly in my opinion and continued a disturbing recent trend of very poor rebounding.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #70 » by **Buck You** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:29 pm

Darn, I wish I didn't say that Jason Collins was the worst player in the NBA before the game, he really killed us.

Anyway, good win last night. Bogut wasn't very good, he was missing a lot of easy shots but every player has a bad game. Charlie V was great last night. Yeah, he had some boneheaded plays as he usually does but he really should be starting. He's a terrific player inside and is a beast on the offensive glass.