? about Udonis Haslem

[CBUCK06]

Just a question, not a trade rumor! He'd be a great addition to this team. As Miami re-tools, would CV net us Haslem?

[Baddy Chuck]

No.

[raferfenix]

Udonis would be an incredible addition to our team, but I'm not sure how realistic a deal is. It depends a lot on whether Riley plans on playing Marion more at the 3 or 4, as well as how high he is on Dorrel Wright.

If we expanded the deal and included Mo I bet it'd be more likely.

[slappyg]

I'd rather have CV than Haslem. Throwing in Mo would be crazy.

[magpies]

Love Haslem, but CV is not what the Heat need

[JoeHova]

Haslem is one of those overrated-underrated guys. He's had people talking about him as underrated for so long that now he's pretty overrated. He's about average offensively and rebounding wise, but he's a liability on the defensive end because of his small stature, no matter what Miami homers tell you. If he wasn't from Miami, he wouldn't get nearly the love he does over there now.

I'd rather keep CV, who has much more offensive upside.

[pilprin]

So often trade rumors are floated out there and even some have been run though a trade checker of some variety - It's interesting to me how much we and other fans value our own players yet clamour for them to be traded.

It seems that if the Bucks players were as good as most of us value them, they would be way above .500 as a team.

I will agree that we have some talent on this team, but we have a crappy team.

Haslem for CV makes a great deal of sense for this team, because Haslem brings a style of play that presently isn't on this team. He complements the players presently in place.

[JoeHova]

I will agree that we have some talent on this team, but we have a crappy team.

Haslem for CV makes a great deal of sense for this team, because Haslem brings a style of play that presently isn't on this team. He complements the players presently in place.

ok, but so does Miami.

in 21 mpg, CV gets 10 and 5. In 37 mpg, Haslem gets 12 and 9. Neither one blocks shots or gets steals or assists.

The bottom line is that Haslem would help this team none at all. What the Bucks need are good players, not even more average guys who get hyped for reasons that don't have to do with their playing ability (like Mason's dunking).

Also, what's this "style of play" you're talking about? Haslem's style of play is basically identical to Joe Smith's but with less effectiveness one on one. If you think that the return of Joe Smith would make a big difference on this team, I don't know what to tell you.

[coolhandluke121]

Adding Haslem would be a good way to trade Mo, Gadz and Simmons to Miami for those big expiring contracts (j-will and davis) while still being able to say you got something of basketball value in return, albeit just a good role player.

Miami can play Marion at pf and would improve a lot by adding Mo at pg. Mo's no all-star but the Heat need him more than they need Haslem, and they have to trade their expiring contracts now or they'll end up with nothing.

Mo/Simmons/Gadz for J-will/Davis/Haslem. Not a blockbuster but that seems like a great way to get rid of Simmons and Gadz without having to give away an asset for next-to-nothing, and without having to take an unwanted contract in return.

Bucks would trade CV or Yi later. I'd trade Yi but whatever, I guess that's sacrilege here (as if they wouldn't get something good in return!)

[coolhandluke121]

By the way, with Haslem out a few weeks that's a good tanking move as well.

[Ayt]

Adding Haslem would be a good way to trade Mo, Gadz and Simmons to Miami for those big expiring contracts (j-will and davis) while still being able to say you got something of basketball value in return, albeit just a good role player.

Miami can play Marion at pf and would improve a lot by adding Mo at pg. Mo's no all-star but the Heat need him more than they need Haslem, and they have to trade their expiring contracts now or they'll end up with nothing.

Mo/Simmons/Gadz for J-will/Davis/Haslem. Not a blockbuster but that seems like a great way to get rid of Simmons and Gadz without having to give away an asset for next-to-nothing, and without having to take an unwanted contract in return.

Bucks would trade CV or Yi later. I'd trade Yi but whatever, I guess that's sacrilege here (as if they wouldn't get something good in return!)

I don't see Miami taking on all that garbage when they are trying to rebuild.

[coolhandluke121]

They're trying to reload, not rebuild. Rebuilding means they trade Wade for Durant or something like that. Reloading means they keep their best, highest-paid player and retool the pieces around him.

You probably don't understand the salary cap very well if you can't figure out why they would do this trade. Plenty of teams, including the Bucks, would probably like to trade for the two huge expiring contracts the Heat have, but only if they don't have to give up too much for the financial flexibility. Once those contracts actually expire, the Heat will lose two important trade assets. You may think they will have cap space, but the expiring contracts will not actually put them under the cap. They are too far over the cap, and the only way they can stay over the cap is trade for players who make the same salary as J-Will and Davis but for more years.

They have to make a deal by the trade deadline or they will have wasted a valuable opportunity, and they need to take advantage of every opportunity in order to be competitive before Wade has an opportunity to bolt. But if they make my proposed trade they will at least parlay those expiring contracts into a productive pg who's a perfect fit next to Wade, as well as a solid outside shooter (Simmons) who fits a team need much better than Davis does. Taking guys like Simmons and Gadz is just what they have to do in order to get a valuable piece like Mo, and it's not like they're positioning themselves to have cap space at any time in the near future anyway so while it's an expensive move it wouldn't hurt them basketball-wise, in fact it would help them a lot.

[paulpressey25]

I don't see Miami taking both Simmons and Gadz......one...but not both.

But I'd love your deal if it was possible.

[raferfenix]

I'm not sure the Heat are looking to take on more contracts---a lot of heat fans seem to think they are looking to dump a contract so they can make a play in free agency.

What about this more simple deal:

Bucks trade: CV, Jake Voshkul
Heat trade: Udonis Haslem


the notion that Halsem wouldn't help us more than CV is ridiculous. He may not put up big numbers, but he's an incredibly smart player, especially defensively where we need the most help. In fact, i'm far from sure that Riley thinks he can motivate CV consistently enough to make this deal worth it.

[Ayt]

They're trying to reload, not rebuild. Rebuilding means they trade Wade for Durant or something like that. Reloading means they keep their best, highest-paid player and retool the pieces around him.

You don't reload by killing flexibility by adding two completely worthless players with roughly 16 million in combined salary (18 million the year after next) while only adding one solid player in Mo at a decent rate.

You probably don't understand the salary cap very well if you can't figure out why they would do this trade.

I understand it fine. Teams looking to rebuild a team around their still young star player don't trade expirings for guys like Simmons and Gadz even if they get a Mo in return.

Plenty of teams, including the Bucks, would probably like to trade for the two huge expiring contracts the Heat have, but only if they don't have to give up too much for the financial flexibility. Once those contracts actually expire, the Heat will lose two important trade assets. You may think they will have cap space, but the expiring contracts will not actually put them under the cap. They are too far over the cap, and the only way they can stay over the cap is trade for players who make the same salary as J-Will and Davis but for more years.

Did you even look at their future cap situation post hypothetical trade? If they took on Mo, Gadz, and Simmons they'd be around $78 million next year, and that is without factoring in the salary of the top 5 pick they will likely add. You could say they will let Marion walk if he declines his option, but why would they choose our trash over Marion, which is basically what that decision would be?

They have to make a deal by the trade deadline or they will have wasted a valuable opportunity, and they need to take advantage of every opportunity in order to be competitive before Wade has an opportunity to bolt. But if they make my proposed trade they will at least parlay those expiring contracts into a productive pg who's a perfect fit next to Wade, as well as a solid outside shooter (Simmons) who fits a team need much better than Davis does. Taking guys like Simmons and Gadz is just what they have to do in order to get a valuable piece like Mo, and it's not like they're positioning themselves to have cap space at any time in the near future anyway so while it's an expensive move it wouldn't hurt them basketball-wise, in fact it would help them a lot.

Wade is under contract until 2010/11, when he has an $18 million player option. They have time to try to put some decent pieces around him. In the current NBA, stars basically never change teams as free agents and I doubt Wade will be any different.

I think you are drastically overrating Simmons in the deal. The guy looks nearly done as a productive NBA player. He has one of the most unmovable contracts in the NBA.

Honestly, there isn't a team in the league that would take on both Simmons and Gadz just to add Mo. Its absurd on its face.

[JoeHova]

the notion that Halsem wouldn't help us more than CV is ridiculous. He may not put up big numbers, but he's an incredibly smart player, especially defensively where we need the most help. In fact, i'm far from sure that Riley thinks he can motivate CV consistently enough to make this deal worth it.

No, the idea that Haslem is good defender is ridiculous. I'd say I've watched about 80% of the games he's played in his career and he gets absolutely owned by every good PF (and there are a lot of them). At 6'8 and with limited bulk and athletic ability, he can't slow them down.

He practically single-handedly cost Miami the 2005 NBA Championship by getting destroyed by Rasheed Wallace in the ECF. Rasheed came up with key basket after key basket in that series.

Anyway, Haslem is a guy who gives up more than he puts in, just like almost every current Buck. There's no point in acquiring him as he doesn't improve the team now or in the future. He's not a terrible player, it's just pointless to salivate over a guy like him.

[Hoops23]

Just a question, not a trade rumor! He'd be a great addition to this team. As Miami re-tools, would CV net us Haslem?

No way Miami trades Haslem for CV unless the Bucks sweeten the deal.

Charlie V. is soft.