this was posted on the trade forum by a Portland fan and i was just wondering what everyone thought of i think that it is a really good trade for both teams and would be extremely happy if this happened. This would obviously like he said a draft day deal. It also gives the a scorer and shooter in mo that can create but also give you ast. along w. roy...and mo gives the a pg that goes good with roy i believe until Fernandez is ready to take over for Mo.
Mo/Simmons for Jack/Raf/08 1st rounder
Milwaukee:
(Pick)/Ivey/Sessions
Redd/Bell
(Pick)/Mason
Yi/Cv/Raf
Bogut/Voskuhl/Gadz
Portland:
Mo/Rodriguez/Fernandez
Roy/Webster/Jones
Outlaw/Simmons
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Prizbilla
Portland and bucks (draft day deal)
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wow that deal works for me from the bucks side.
1) mo williams gone.......jack does everything such as playing defense, his passing ability, and can hit the 3.
2) not a big fan of lafrentz..... but when he plays or healthy, is a solid shot blocker and is a decent rebounder.........lafrentz isnt a big scoring threat but is a better scorer inside than gadz is and plus has an expiring contract so that's a +........likely to come off bench for bucks
3) 1st round pick this year would sweeten the deal for sure.
don't see why Portland would want Mo Williams tho as they already have 3 PG's besides Jack with Blake, Green, and Rodriguez. prob why jack is being shopped. bobby simmons dont see that either since they have webster and outlaw....if outlaw maybe gets moved....then maybe.
so i could see a trade with the Blazers and Bucks again but it might jack, draft picks, and expiring contracts being involved.
1) mo williams gone.......jack does everything such as playing defense, his passing ability, and can hit the 3.
2) not a big fan of lafrentz..... but when he plays or healthy, is a solid shot blocker and is a decent rebounder.........lafrentz isnt a big scoring threat but is a better scorer inside than gadz is and plus has an expiring contract so that's a +........likely to come off bench for bucks
3) 1st round pick this year would sweeten the deal for sure.
don't see why Portland would want Mo Williams tho as they already have 3 PG's besides Jack with Blake, Green, and Rodriguez. prob why jack is being shopped. bobby simmons dont see that either since they have webster and outlaw....if outlaw maybe gets moved....then maybe.
so i could see a trade with the Blazers and Bucks again but it might jack, draft picks, and expiring contracts being involved.
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I think you've forgotten on thing with this trade. The blazers still have Steve Blake, and are trying to move Jack because they want to develop Spanish Chocolate (Rodriguez) and open up more court time for him. But just swapping for mo, yes they get an upgrade, but they keep a very crowded backcourt and gain a sf that they don't need. They've already got outlaw, jones and webster.
It'd be good to take on Raefs expiring contract for FA's and i love Jack and think he'd be great, but for some reason i don't see Portland doing it.
It'd be good to take on Raefs expiring contract for FA's and i love Jack and think he'd be great, but for some reason i don't see Portland doing it.
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Oden and 08? HAHAHAHA
How about Oden for our entire roster plus our pick? Portland wouldn't even do that.
What do they want with Redd when they have Roy? And Bogut is a downgrade from Oden.
I know you are probably being sarcastic, but in case you aren't I had to do it before we had a million Portland fans blast you.
How about Oden for our entire roster plus our pick? Portland wouldn't even do that.
What do they want with Redd when they have Roy? And Bogut is a downgrade from Oden.
I know you are probably being sarcastic, but in case you aren't I had to do it before we had a million Portland fans blast you.
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Here's an alternative trade that works on trade checker involving Mil/Mia/Portland
Trade ID #4509910
Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, -0.2 rpg, and -1.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Darius Miles
6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
No games yet played in 2007/08
Jarrett Jack
6-3 PG from Georgia Tech
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.6 minutes
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
13.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 35.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Bobby Simmons
6-6 SF from DePaul
7.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Maurice Williams
6-1 PG from Alabama
17.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 6.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Portland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Bobby Simmons
6-6 SF from DePaul
7.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Darius Miles
6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
No games yet played in 2007/08
Jarrett Jack
6-3 PG from Georgia Tech
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.6 minutes
Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +4.2 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and +3.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Maurice Williams
6-1 PG from Alabama
17.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 6.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
13.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 35.1 minutes
Ricky Davis can slot in at sf, Jack is good young pg that can play defense, Mo gets to go to Miami, we get rid of simmons contract for miles which expires a lot sooner. Gives the team more flexibility in a cpl years.
Trade ID #4509910
Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, -0.2 rpg, and -1.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Darius Miles
6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
No games yet played in 2007/08
Jarrett Jack
6-3 PG from Georgia Tech
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.6 minutes
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
13.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 35.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Bobby Simmons
6-6 SF from DePaul
7.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Maurice Williams
6-1 PG from Alabama
17.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 6.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Portland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Bobby Simmons
6-6 SF from DePaul
7.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Darius Miles
6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
No games yet played in 2007/08
Jarrett Jack
6-3 PG from Georgia Tech
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.6 minutes
Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +4.2 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and +3.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Maurice Williams
6-1 PG from Alabama
17.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 6.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
13.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 35.1 minutes
Ricky Davis can slot in at sf, Jack is good young pg that can play defense, Mo gets to go to Miami, we get rid of simmons contract for miles which expires a lot sooner. Gives the team more flexibility in a cpl years.
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I'm the one who originally came up with the idea on the TB, so I thought I'd weigh in here on a few of the comments made...
Jack doesn't seriously effect Sergio's playing time. Sergio effects Sergio's playing time because the truth is, he's just not all that good right now. He's still very young and very raw. He makes mental lapses that really hurt the team and really irritate Nate McMillan. Sergio is a fan favorite for sure, but I don't see the Blazers dumping talent to make room for him. Blake would move into a backup PG role, as I'll point out in a depth chart soon.
Also, Portland's SF spot is not as deep as everyone thinks. It's a common misconception that Outlaw is a SF. He is not. He is the Blazers backup PF. This means that the Blazers SF rotation consists of Jones and Webster. Jones has struggled staying healthy this whole season, meaning that right now, the Blazers only have 1 true SF on the team... Webster.
And as I've brought out on the TB thread, the Blazers aren't taking Simmons because he's a great player of any sort or because they need him. They're taking him because that is a big incentive for the Bucks to give up Williams. Unless I've incorrectly gaged Williams value to the Bucks, they aren't desperately seeking to get rid of him, are they?
Anyway, here is what Portland's rotation would look like after this deal...
Williams/Blake/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Jones/Simmons
Aldridge/Outlaw/McRoberts
Oden/Przybilla/Frye
No offense, but you got Jack all wrong. His defense is passable... at best. His passing ability is ok, but nothing to write home about. He is ok in a half-court set but absolutely brutal on the fast break. And his 3pt shot? Streaky at best.
Jack is really a undersized slashing SG with decent handles.
The Bucks wouldn't be acquiring LaFrentz because of his on-the-court abilities. They'd be making a move for him because he'll be an expiring contract and save the Bucks a lot of money.
As I alluded to earlier, Jack is not a PG. Right now, he backs up Roy at SG for the Blazers. And when he was recently moved into the starting lineup for a short stint, he started at SG with Blake at PG and Roy at SF.
Green sees absolutely no playing time, he has bounced back and forth from the d-league this year.
And Rodriguez is still VERY raw. His defense is awful and he plays an out-of-control style of basketball that Nate McMillan doesn't care for. He gets some minutes, but they're sporadic at best.
Portland would have a lot of interest in Williams because he's a scoring PG with good handles. The Blazers need someone else besides Roy who can create his own offense. With Roy's playmaking ability and the fact that he initiates the offense so much, they don't need a pure PG to run every single play.
Simmons, like LaFrentz, isn't being brought in because of his "talent". He expires the same time as Darius Miles, meaning Portland would have 2 expiring contracts around 8-9 mil each to trade during the 09/10 season. Those could be very valuable pieces as the Blazers prepare for their championship run.
Also, Outlaw isn't a SF, he's the Blazers primary backup PF.
Simmons would be able to get a few backup minutes at SF, but likely as a 3rd stringer behind Webster and Jones.
That's an EASY no for Portland. Miles for Simmons is too much of a wash for the Blazers to be willing to throw in Jack.
Somehow people got the misconception that the Blazers want Simmons. They don't. This deal is all about getting Williams to Portland. Taking Simmons is the price I believe Portland would have to pay to get that done. If I'm incorrect, please lemme know. You guys likely have a better grasp on Williams' current value than I do.
LOL. How about no. Never even mind the logisitics of having to match up all that salary.
I think you've forgotten on thing with this trade. The blazers still have Steve Blake, and are trying to move Jack because they want to develop Spanish Chocolate (Rodriguez) and open up more court time for him. But just swapping for mo, yes they get an upgrade, but they keep a very crowded backcourt and gain a sf that they don't need. They've already got outlaw, jones and webster.
Jack doesn't seriously effect Sergio's playing time. Sergio effects Sergio's playing time because the truth is, he's just not all that good right now. He's still very young and very raw. He makes mental lapses that really hurt the team and really irritate Nate McMillan. Sergio is a fan favorite for sure, but I don't see the Blazers dumping talent to make room for him. Blake would move into a backup PG role, as I'll point out in a depth chart soon.
Also, Portland's SF spot is not as deep as everyone thinks. It's a common misconception that Outlaw is a SF. He is not. He is the Blazers backup PF. This means that the Blazers SF rotation consists of Jones and Webster. Jones has struggled staying healthy this whole season, meaning that right now, the Blazers only have 1 true SF on the team... Webster.
And as I've brought out on the TB thread, the Blazers aren't taking Simmons because he's a great player of any sort or because they need him. They're taking him because that is a big incentive for the Bucks to give up Williams. Unless I've incorrectly gaged Williams value to the Bucks, they aren't desperately seeking to get rid of him, are they?
Anyway, here is what Portland's rotation would look like after this deal...
Williams/Blake/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Jones/Simmons
Aldridge/Outlaw/McRoberts
Oden/Przybilla/Frye
FutureBuck2008 wrote:1) mo williams gone.......jack does everything such as playing defense, his passing ability, and can hit the 3.
No offense, but you got Jack all wrong. His defense is passable... at best. His passing ability is ok, but nothing to write home about. He is ok in a half-court set but absolutely brutal on the fast break. And his 3pt shot? Streaky at best.
Jack is really a undersized slashing SG with decent handles.
FutureBuck2008 wrote:2) not a big fan of lafrentz..... but when he plays or healthy, is a solid shot blocker and is a decent rebounder.........lafrentz isnt a big scoring threat but is a better scorer inside than gadz is and plus has an expiring contract so that's a +........likely to come off bench for bucks
The Bucks wouldn't be acquiring LaFrentz because of his on-the-court abilities. They'd be making a move for him because he'll be an expiring contract and save the Bucks a lot of money.
FutureBuck2008 wrote:don't see why Portland would want Mo Williams tho as they already have 3 PG's besides Jack with Blake, Green, and Rodriguez. prob why jack is being shopped.
As I alluded to earlier, Jack is not a PG. Right now, he backs up Roy at SG for the Blazers. And when he was recently moved into the starting lineup for a short stint, he started at SG with Blake at PG and Roy at SF.
Green sees absolutely no playing time, he has bounced back and forth from the d-league this year.
And Rodriguez is still VERY raw. His defense is awful and he plays an out-of-control style of basketball that Nate McMillan doesn't care for. He gets some minutes, but they're sporadic at best.
Portland would have a lot of interest in Williams because he's a scoring PG with good handles. The Blazers need someone else besides Roy who can create his own offense. With Roy's playmaking ability and the fact that he initiates the offense so much, they don't need a pure PG to run every single play.
FutureBuck2008 wrote:bobby simmons dont see that either since they have webster and outlaw....if outlaw maybe gets moved....then maybe.
Simmons, like LaFrentz, isn't being brought in because of his "talent". He expires the same time as Darius Miles, meaning Portland would have 2 expiring contracts around 8-9 mil each to trade during the 09/10 season. Those could be very valuable pieces as the Blazers prepare for their championship run.
Also, Outlaw isn't a SF, he's the Blazers primary backup PF.
Simmons would be able to get a few backup minutes at SF, but likely as a 3rd stringer behind Webster and Jones.
Portland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Bobby Simmons
6-6 SF from DePaul
7.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Darius Miles
6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
No games yet played in 2007/08
Jarrett Jack
6-3 PG from Georgia Tech
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.6 minutes
That's an EASY no for Portland. Miles for Simmons is too much of a wash for the Blazers to be willing to throw in Jack.
Somehow people got the misconception that the Blazers want Simmons. They don't. This deal is all about getting Williams to Portland. Taking Simmons is the price I believe Portland would have to pay to get that done. If I'm incorrect, please lemme know. You guys likely have a better grasp on Williams' current value than I do.
jbone wrote:oden and 08 for redd mo cv and bogut
LOL. How about no. Never even mind the logisitics of having to match up all that salary.
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Profound23 wrote:Oden and 08? HAHAHAHA
Bogut is a downgrade from Oden.
Who is Oden? That kid who looks like hes in the mid 50's?
Come on, lets get real here. How many games has he played in the NBA? Until he played a whole season or two I wouldnt call Bogut a downgrade, Oden may very well be another bust.