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Is Redd better than Manu Ginobili?

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Post#61 » by YiOF » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:20 pm

PaBuck wrote:If positions could be reversed with Redd on the Spurs and Ginobili on the Bucks, some fans would have their eyes opened as to the value of Redd. Gino would have a ton of difficulty playing on the current Bucks team and Redd would think that he died and gone to basketball heaven.


People keep think too highly of Redd, Spurs would never take Redd, and if he somehow is on the Spurs Team, he won't play many minutes because he plays no D and do mind boggling things like throwing up contested bricks with 22 seconds on the shot clock, Popovich probably pop a vein on his head watching and put Redd out of rotation.
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Post#62 » by PaBuck » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:37 pm

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People keep think too highly of Redd, Spurs would never take Redd, and if he somehow is on the Spurs Team, he won't play many minutes because he plays no D and do mind boggling things like throwing up contested bricks with 22 seconds on the shot clock, Popovich probably pop a vein on his head watching and put Redd out of rotation.


The Spurs play TEAM Defense and after a month under Pop Redd would fit in well enough. On the Spurs Redd might be wide open with 22 seconds left because he would not be doubleteamed and not feel forced to take the shot. As for Gino, good luck playing with Mo instead of Parker. Wait until he has to fit in with the "Buck's Team Defense".
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Post#63 » by Debit One » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:53 pm

PaBuck wrote:If positions could be reversed with Redd on the Spurs and Ginobili on the Bucks, some fans would have their eyes opened as to the value of Redd.


I would welcome the opportunity to evaluate this.

C'mon, the only thing that you can possibly say that Redd does better than Ginobili is score, and that's a maybe. Ginobili is inarguably the better defender, passer and rebounder.
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Post#64 » by PaBuck » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:09 pm

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I would welcome the opportunity to evaluate this.

C'mon, the only thing that you can possibly say that Redd does better than Ginobili is score, and that's a maybe. Ginobili is inarguably the better defender, passer and rebounder.


Don't take me wrong. I'm not necessarily comparing Redd to Ginobili. Just saying put Redd on a solid team, and you would be surprised as to what you would get from him...the opposite being true with Ginobili. If Bruce Bowen were still the defender he once was, I think Pop might play around with the idea of a trade.
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Post#65 » by xTitan » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:55 pm

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Don't take me wrong. I'm not necessarily comparing Redd to Ginobili. Just saying put Redd on a solid team, and you would be surprised as to what you would get from him...the opposite being true with Ginobili. If Bruce Bowen were still the defender he once was, I think Pop might play around with the idea of a trade.


I think you could say the same thing about Bogut and also possibly Mo, if the team kept him in the position that best suits his talents.

This is an interesting thread, there is no denying Redd is a major talent as a scorer, especially if he can get on a roll, plus he has improved at taking the ball to the basket. Ginobili has such a far superior game in all other facets. I just thing Manu's basketball IQ is off the charts, he will defer if thats what it takes to win, he will pick up the scoring slack if a Parker is out. What really separates the 2 is defense, you noticed how Detroit changed there gameplan the second time they played the Bucks last week, they decided to attack Redd wheter he was covering Hamilton or Prince, not only did they know they could beat him, they also wanted to make him work on both sides of the court. I think for Redd to achieve a higher level of play (if thats possible), would have been to pick up a vet Pg (Billups) who could reign Redd in, and take on the responsibility of being the team leader......
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Post#66 » by Kablooie » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:14 pm

jerrod wrote:jeff van gundy called manu the second best sg in the league today


Van Gundy also thought that Shaq's foul was a flagrant 2 and that Superbad should win Oscars. Let's face it, JVG is borderline (Please Use More Appropriate Word), and that's why he has no job in the NBA right now.
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Post#67 » by jerrod » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:24 pm

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Van Gundy also thought that Shaq's foul was a flagrant 2 and that Superbad should win Oscars. Let's face it, JVG is borderline (Please Use More Appropriate Word), and that's why he has no job in the NBA right now.



right,

because jvg is an extremely succesful referee and movie critic

you're kind of defensive, don't you think?
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Post#68 » by Kablooie » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:29 pm

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right,

because jvg is an extremely succesful referee and movie critic

you're kind of defensive, don't you think?


Haha, I'm just messing with our favorite little goon, JVG. I value every word he squeaks out.
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Post#69 » by L&H_05 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:01 pm

I've seen Ginobili at his best.. Hell, I seen it the other night before the All Star break..

I don't believe Redd can replicate that in a way that Manu did... Don't get me wrong, Mike can put up numbers... But, what Manu did to us, is exactly what it has to feel like for other teams when Bron goes off...Manu went LBJ on us.. :-?
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Post#70 » by Sigra » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:19 pm

Few years ago I said that we should trade Redd for Manu. I was atacked by 99% of this same board. Hehehe
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Post#71 » by jerrod » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:32 pm

Kablooie wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Haha, I'm just messing with our favorite little goon, JVG. I value every word he squeaks out.


just as long as he doesn't squeak them out as coach of the bucks
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Post#72 » by REDDzone » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:37 pm

Sigra wrote:Few years ago I said that we should trade Redd for Manu. I was atacked by 99% of this same board. Hehehe


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Post#73 » by SheedsWeed » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:56 am

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HEEELLLL NO.
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Post#74 » by BuckFan25226 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:09 am

I would probably take Ginobili.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned what Ginobili would do without Duncan and Parker(as an argument for Redd) Well his stats might inflate to be even better then Redd's.


I know it's a small sample size, but the 5 games Duncan missed this year, Ginobili put up 22.4/5.2/3.6 in 32.4 minutes per game.


He does everything better then Redd but score. But I do agree, the argument can still be made how Redd could actually do with quality players around him.
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