MJS:"Redd-Mo Dynamic Duo!"

[Fight the Tank]

My 7th grade team could atleast could run the flex offense. Pretty sure there would be numerous guys screwing that up on the Bucks.

Oh and that article is pathetic. Thanks for nothing Chuck.

[rilamann]

MJS Bucks guys = Idiots. I hope Mike Hunt laughed at Gardner in the office today. What's so "dynamic" about ths duo other than scoring? Nothing.

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If we must live with their backcourt defense, you might as well get ready for that lull called mediocrity.

I have to disagree,with the Milwaukee Bucks mediocrity is not a ''lull'' but a tradition.

[REDDzone]

I don't know where you guys get this 'mediocrity' stuff.

Mediocre is beyon the Bucks, for the past two years, they have failed to reach mediocrity.

[msiris]

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It's something else, isn't it? Only on this team could the starting backcourt basically be called dumb by the head coach and he's trying to spin it in a positive manner.

I love this team.

All your fault Europa. You started it with the locker room stuff. Now Kohl has paid everyone off and now we live in la la land where everything is well over Bucks Nation.

[Kerb Hohl]

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All your fault Europa. You started it with the locker room stuff. Now Kohl has paid everyone off and now we live in la la land where everything is well over Bucks Nation.

All is well, isn't it? *cough* *cough*, oh no! they've poisoned me too!

[BuckUp]

I just think this is an indictment on our backcourt's basketball IQ.

Not thinking makes someone play better, just seems odd.

Low b-ball IQ + No thinking = Better basketball.

I completely disagree, and it bothers me that this has become the accepted Real GM Bucks board "party line." Now, I'm not saying that Mo and Redd have high basketball IQs, but come on, anyone who has ever played sport before knows that overthinking destroyes an athletes ability to perform.

Do you guys really think that the coach is endorsing "no thinking"? It's been painfully obvious for most of the season that no one knew what Coach K wanted, and that created a lot of hesitancy and second-guessing. And it is that kind of "over thinking" that they have recently gotten away from... for the better.

And also, yeah, Gardner is writing a fluff piece, but does Lawrence Frank now know nothing about basketball? Or did Gardner make up the quotes, or maybee Kohl paid Frank to say those positive things. IDK, I think that maybe when Frank looks at the Bucks he doesn't see a whole lot of tallent outside of the starting backcourt (and prob. Bogut too).

Maybe I'm the only one, and I love reading this site, but sometimes the "popular oppinion" can just become one big pile of inbred ideas, and woe unto you if you dare to marry out side of the family... Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

[msiris]

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All is well, isn't it? *cough* *cough*, oh no! they've poisoned me too!

Dear Mr. Kohl,

If you pay me the sum of $10,000 I will pimp your team here on RealGM.
I am the worlds biggest BSer and I can sell anything. Right guys? Go Bucks.
You can make the playoffs at 15 games under. Redd and Mo can bring us the NBA Title in 2020. Gooooooo Bucks.

[REDDzone]

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I completely disagree, and it bothers me that this has become the accepted Real GM Bucks board "party line." Now, I'm not saying that Mo and Redd have high basketball IQs, but come on, anyone who has ever played sport before knows that overthinking destroyes an athletes ability to perform.

I simply draw a distinction between "overthinking" and "not thinking". Maybe we just read the quotes differently.

Maybe I'm the only one, and I love reading this site, but sometimes the "popular oppinion" can just become one big pile of inbred ideas, and woe unto you if you dare to marry out side of the family... Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

I don't agree with this at all, I don't see anyone criticizing you for going against the "popular opinion".

I just think that there is a reason that the backcourt having a low b-ball IQ is the "popular opinion".

[raferfenix]

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I completely disagree, and it bothers me that this has become the accepted Real GM Bucks board "party line." Now, I'm not saying that Mo and Redd have high basketball IQs, but come on, anyone who has ever played sport before knows that overthinking destroyes an athletes ability to perform.

Do you guys really think that the coach is endorsing "no thinking"? It's been painfully obvious for most of the season that no one knew what Coach K wanted, and that created a lot of hesitancy and second-guessing. And it is that kind of "over thinking" that they have recently gotten away from... for the better.

And also, yeah, Gardner is writing a fluff piece, but does Lawrence Frank now know nothing about basketball? Or did Gardner make up the quotes, or maybee Kohl paid Frank to say those positive things. IDK, I think that maybe when Frank looks at the Bucks he doesn't see a whole lot of tallent outside of the starting backcourt (and prob. Bogut too).

Maybe I'm the only one, and I love reading this site, but sometimes the "popular oppinion" can just become one big pile of inbred ideas, and woe unto you if you dare to marry out side of the family... Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

the issue isn't about overthinking---it's about our starting point guard and best player both being entirely incapable of making anyone else around them better. I also don't think the problem was that players didn't know what Krystkowiak wanted---I think it's much more that they were both incapable and unwilling to buy into his system that was designed to have Bogut do more than just run around and set picks (which also speaks to the detriment of LK no doubt).

However, our guards doing nothing on the court except dominating the ball and playing greedy has left us with a horrible team that isn't developing at all. I'm most concerned that Bogut and Yi will not believe that they will be able to develop properly in this environment, and will make efforts to get out of milwaukee.

It would be an absolute travesty if our team's commitment to this selfish duo that has no clue how to play defense or generally how to win in the NBA costs us the bright future a Bogut/Yi tandem could provide us. I hope Herb Kohl recognizes that even the most loyal of the fan base can not support the team if his meddling costs us like that, and he trades one or both of those guys (like he should have at the deadline) to prevent the situation from degrading any further.

[Ayt]

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I completely disagree, and it bothers me that this has become the accepted Real GM Bucks board "party line." Now, I'm not saying that Mo and Redd have high basketball IQs, but come on, anyone who has ever played sport before knows that overthinking destroyes an athletes ability to perform.

Do you guys really think that the coach is endorsing "no thinking"? It's been painfully obvious for most of the season that no one knew what Coach K wanted, and that created a lot of hesitancy and second-guessing. And it is that kind of "over thinking" that they have recently gotten away from... for the better.

I agree with this. I've always been at my worst playing sports if I'm out there thinking instead of just reacting and going on instinct.

The coach can make suggestions and try to nudge guys, so to speak, into playing a certain way, but in the end they have to be able to play in a way that comes naturally to them.

[Kerb Hohl]

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I agree with this. I've always been at my worst playing sports if I'm out there thinking instead of just reacting and going on instinct.

The coach can make suggestions and try to nudge guys, so to speak, into playing a certain way, but in the end they have to be able to play in a way that comes naturally to them.

I will agree and disagree.

Agree: Yes, I play better also when I'm just reacting and not over thinking.

Disagree: The "not thinking" part usually means that the coach has instilled the game plan in me, and I am so aware of it that I don't have to waste time thinking about my next move. Redd and Mo are disregarding basketball fundamentals and "not thinking" about what the team plan is or about where they should expend energy(0% of it currently on defense). I am sure when you were in high school or currently and your coach stresses a defensive-minded strategy but you are still the focal point of the offense...if you ran in there and just started jacking up 3s because that is "your natural game" then maybe it benefits you but your W-Ls will be extremely inconsistent and all of your teammates will be worse off.

[xTitan]

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I agree with this. I've always been at my worst playing sports if I'm out there thinking instead of just reacting and going on instinct.

The coach can make suggestions and try to nudge guys, so to speak, into playing a certain way, but in the end they have to be able to play in a way that comes naturally to them.

what do you do if you have crappy instincts?

[Kerb Hohl]

To continue on my previous thought...personally, I think the not thinking statement that people make a lot that I usually agree with is being taken wrong here.

I will speak in terms of football, which was my personal best sport when I played at an organized level a few years ago. The coach had instilled the principles of our offense and what I was supposed to do on the play so intensely, that when I was on the field I could just react to what the defense did and not have to think about which way I was supposed to block a guy or cut off a block, for instance. To become a star player, every once in a while, let's say when we needed a big play...I would react differently than usual and try break a huge run to the outside if it was there or be overly aggressive on a blitz from linebacker which a coach will normally applaud if you do it at the right time.

In Redd and Mo's terms...they aren't running the plays or listening to the coach. They aren't paying attention to the principles that they are given to play with. Their "not thinking" idea, staying with my football example, would be to run to the wrong hole every single play trying to break a 50 yarder or to rush when they are supposed to stay in pass coverage because they want a sack. Maybe they try for the strip when making a tackle every time, disregarding tackling fundamentals. Maybe instead of staying in to block they run out on a pass route trying to "make a play". This is what I would compare Mo and Redd's "not thinking" to.

Oh, and sorry to the international people who wouldn't understand the American football reference.

[coolhandluke121]

I say this all the time, but just get a real pg who can guard sg's and bring Mo off the bench and this article would seem prophetic.

Could Hinrich be available? Chicago's got to be looking at re-tooling because they're built around a bunch of solid players like him who will never be all-stars. How about trading our pick for him? They need the kind of superstar they haven't been able to acquire in a trade, maybe they'd try the draft again.

[Ayt]

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what do you do if you have crappy instincts?

Suck at basketball.

Mo and Redd don't have bad instincts. Mo can score very well and set up teammates pretty well. He's not very good at dictating tempo as a PG, which is most peoples big gripe with him. His defensive instincts aren't great either as he can be broken down by good players and he has no idea how to defend against a screen.

Redd can flat out score against the entire defense, but he can't pass when he's creating to save his life. His ability to beat his man then deal with the help D and still score is elite in the NBA. The only time you see a nice pass from Redd is one of those missiles from the top of the key to a cutter down low. He has good anticipation defending one on one (he's very underrated as an on the ball defender), but he's basically worthless off the ball on D and leaves his man open too much.

Their basketball instincts aren't bad, its just that what they are good at instinctually and what they are bad at rubs many people the wrong way.

For our team, Redd needs to be allowed to attack on offense and not worry about being a complete offensive player so much. He's just not a creator for others; never has been, never will. But he can put points on the board and do it efficiently.

Mo needs to free role it basically on offense, looking to score or pass as he sees fit. He's at his best when allowed to attack on offense as well.

Both of these guys can still do this and have other guys -- mainly Bogut -- get shots. Mo and Redd can be in attack mode and still know that they should look for Bogut in the post. Bogut has gotten plenty of shots over the last 5 games.

Beyond those three, the rest of the team will just fit in and get looks in the flow of the game.

[europa]

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what do you do if you have crappy instincts?

Get run in the third quarter of a close game against the Spurs?

[raferfenix]

Our team desperately needs someone in our backcourt who can make their teammates better.

We also could use a team leader who isn't inherrently selfish and allergic to defense.