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Post#21 » by msiris » Sat Mar 1, 2008 10:30 pm

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Marquette is definitely more athletic. They are not a smart team though and that downgrades their "talent' somewhat. Badgers play better D and shoot better from the outside. They will go further in the tourney.
Your correct. When is the last time we saw Marq shoot FTs well? Its been awhile.
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Post#22 » by Kerb Hohl » Sat Mar 1, 2008 10:31 pm

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Marquette is definitely more athletic. They are not a smart team though and that downgrades their "talent' somewhat. Badgers play better D and shoot better from the outside. They will go further in the tourney.


I'm an avid Badger fan and I will agree with you there that the Badgers will at least go farther than last year...I think their outside shooting and ability to have anyone beat you any night is key. Flowers is playing out of his mind right now as well...he has been simply amazing as of late.

As for Marquette, aside from the second half of this Georgetown game, they had really been playing much better team offense. I think if they can hit some shots, they could do well in the tournament also.
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Post#23 » by NotYoAvgNBAFan » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:21 am

MU did not choke with all due respect...I thought Georgetown got some hometown calls that decided the game and kept them in the game at the end...

A lot of tic tac and horrible grandstanding calls by the referees that gave the Hoyas new life on the road!

Dwight Burke drew a charge with 2 second left in regulation and they called him for a blocking foul. It was not even close!

Dominc James did not hit the guy at all on the 3 and they called that. A lot of grandstanding calls by the refs liek they had bookies on the phone in LasVegas for this one!

I think refs have egos and miss calls and make grandstanding calls so they can get pats on the backs that they did not back down from hostile crowd INSTEAD OF GETTING THE CALL RIGHT!

The Hoyas should have someone pay off the refs....Go watch the replays.

It speaks for itself. :nod:
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Post#24 » by Kerb Hohl » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:26 am

NotYoAvgNBAFan wrote:MU did not choke with all due respect...I thought Georgetown got some hometown calls that decided the game ane kept them in the game at the end...

A lot of tic tac and horrible grandstanding calls by the referees that gave the Hoyas new life on the road!

Dwight Burke drew a charge with 2 second left in regulation and they called him for a blocking foul. It was not even close!

Dominc James did not hit the guy at all on the 3 and they called that. A lot of grandstanding calls by the refs liek they had bookies on the phone in LasVegas for this one!

I think refs have egos and miss calls and make grandstanding calls so they can get pats on the backs that they did not back down from hostile crowd INSTEAD OF GETTING THE CALL RIGHT!

The Hoyas should have someone pay off the refs....Go watch the replays.

It speaks for itself. :nod:


Even instant replay wouldn't have overturned that hack on the 3...or was it a steal? That is a judgment call, and James should have put his hands up and not swiped at the ball...if you want to get a replay with a 100x zoom on James' hand and the ball, then maybe we can get a definitive answer.

A few of the other calls were questionable but didn't affect the outcome of the game. One of the "bad calls" that set the crowd off the most was the one when whoever was defending inside for Marquette slipped from the court and took out the Georgetown player driving, I think it was Summers...that was obviously nowhere near a call. The fans wanted an offensive foul, and if they watched the replay like you suggest...they would have seen it was a foul on Marquette if anything.

The jump ball after the steal early in OT? Yeah, maybe a foul but it actually wasn't a bad thing for Marquette...they got the possession arrow back and Georgetown had 3 seconds to shoot and missed a long 3.

Now if you wanted to change refs...we could call up the ones that did the 2006 NBA finals. Marquette wins this one by 20 and James shoots 30 free throws.
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Post#25 » by Kerb Hohl » Sun Mar 2, 2008 12:49 am

NotYoAvgNBAFan wrote:Dwight Burke drew a charge with 2 second left in regulation and they called him for a blocking foul. It was not even close!


A. There were 11 seconds left.

B. Ewing was receiving a pass almost directly under the basket and Burke basically ran underneath him while Ewing was gathering the ball. This was more of a player looking to steal an offensive foul rather than get in defensive position. It was almost directly under the basket. That is almost always either a no-call or it is a defensive foul.
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Post#26 » by El Duderino » Sun Mar 2, 2008 2:58 am

I thought overall during the game Marquette got shafted by the refs, but they still should have won given all the layups, wide open threes, and free throws they missed.

As for the foul on James when up by three, it was very very stupid of him to reach there, you simply can't foul in that situation with a player shooting a three.

With all that said, IMO Crean deserves blame. I said to my buddy while watching the game, if Mathews gives Marquette a three point lead, the should foul around half court. Pearl faced the same situation vs Memphis and he smartly fouled so Memphis could never get up a three point shot. I watched that play again, if Crean would have called for a foul around half court, Georgetown would have been at the line down three and shooting two free throws with four seconds left.

They would have needed lots of luck to tie the game. Make the first free throw, miss the second on purpose, rebound the miss, and then put the miss in the hoop. I'll take my chances more on that than letting someone shoot a three.
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Post#27 » by DH34Phan » Sun Mar 2, 2008 4:14 am

I was at the game. Not a huge Marquette fan, but I think the combination of bad refs and missed free throws did them in.

The BC was rocking though, great Big East game. I wish I was at the Al McGuire Center watching Tosa East take down King, though.
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Post#28 » by Siefer » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:49 am

While I thought the refs were crappy the whole game, Marquette has no one to blame but themselves. We missed a ton of open shots, and a ton of free throws. Add in the foul on the three pointer...and you've got yourself a loss. It's a shame too, because MU soundly outplayed Georgetown for most of the game.

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