Which 2008 Backcourt is better (Redd/Mo or Ray/Sam)

Post #1 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 2:11 pm

Now that Sam is with the Celtics, we see the 2001 backcourt reunited.

I used to rip on that backcourt for being selfish and over-rated.....but as I look back, I think that 2001 backcourt was a far better pair than Redd/Mo are today.

A couple questions.

1. Are the 2008 Sam/Ray pairing better than the 2008 Redd/Mo backcourt?

2. To put the talent levels of Sam and Ray in perspective, do any of you think that the Redd/Mo backcourt will be re-united as the starters for a contending team in the 2014-15 season?

Where I'm going with the question is I don't think Redd/Mo are anywhere close to the Ray/Sam combination as it relates to talent and skill. The fact that Ray/Sam are still here seven years later and are very relevant says to me all I need to know. I can't see Redd/Mo being in the same position years from now.

Matches Malone · Post #2 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 2:14 pm

sam and ray all day

showtimesam · Post #3 » by **showtimesam** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:10 pm

No, not anywhere close.

Ray could score about as well as redd, but in the flow of the offense.

Meanwhile, Cassell was a big pg that could post up the opposition, make smart passes, and score at will.

I think both guys are just craftier players with high basketball iqs. The biggest difference is between mo and cassell. Sam isn't a pass first pg, but he's incredibly smart, picks his spots well, and keeps his team involved.

BobbyLight · Post #4 » by **BobbyLight** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:18 pm

Sam and Ray are currently better. I think adding Sam makes the Celtics favoirtes in the East. He is too smart and too ballsy to let a team with this much talent not make the finals.

emunney · Post #5 » by **emunney** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:26 pm

To be fair, did anyone in 2001 think that Ray and Sam would be reunited in 2008 as the backcourt on a contender? Did anyone in 2006 think it was likely? How about in 2007?

PaBuck · Post #6 » by **PaBuck** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:32 pm

Based on basketball IQ alone, it's Sam and Ray handsdown. Let's call it a Nobrainer!

jerrod · Post #7 » by **jerrod** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:27 pm

emunney wrote:To be fair, did anyone in 2001 think that Ray and Sam would be reunited in 2008 as the backcourt on a contender? Did anyone in 2006 think it was likely? How about in 2007?

exactly

keep in mind, sam was just waived by the clippers

emunney · Post #8 » by **emunney** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:29 pm

The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."

jerrod · Post #9 » by **jerrod** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:40 pm

emunney wrote:The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."

i agree

xTitan · Post #10 » by **xTitan** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:42 pm

Europa, I know you have posted before that Larry K has basically called his backcourt dumb, I was wondering where you had seen those quotes? If Larry K. said that I could not agree more. Ray and Sam, and its not close, actually thought you were going to be asking about Todd Day and Eric Murdoch :wink:

Max Green · Post #11 » by **Max Green** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:49 pm

emunney wrote:The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."

Fort Minor · Post #12 » by **Fort Minor** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:27 pm

emunney wrote:The fairer question would be, "Would the Celtics still be considered contenders with Redd and Mo in place of Ray and Sam?" And I think the answer would be an unmitigated, "Yes."

Yes, but I think they stand a better of chance of winning a championship with Ray and Sam.

Newz · Post #13 » by **Newz** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:40 pm

Sam Cassell used to be a better player than Mo Williams, but as of right now it isn't even close... Mo Williams is a ton better.

And I think Redd and Ray are on the same level.

Put Redd and Mo on Boston and the Celtics are a ton better... Put Ray and Sam on the Bucks and we are even worse than we already are.

WRau1 · Post #14 » by **WRau1** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 10:47 pm

Sam Cassell is still alive?

ahagen87 · Post #15 » by **ahagen87** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:25 pm

Sam and Ray no doubt about it

BankIt · Post #16 » by **BankIt** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:50 am

I think its an unfair question unless we put each tandem on both teams, then and now. Then compare. Would that 2001 team be a better team with Redd and Mo instead of Cassell and Ray. Its a tough call but I'd take Redd and Mo on both teams. I still have a bad taste in my mouth when Cassell was on the take to throw that Detroit playoff series. I wonder how much he pocketed from the mafia. Then there's Cassell's tendencies to just jack up shots with no team members in position for rebounds. Sam I Am blew this comparison.

Fort Minor · Post #17 » by **Fort Minor** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:56 am

BankIt wrote:I think its an unfair question unless we put each tandem on both teams, then and now. Then compare. Would that 2001 team be a better team with Redd and Mo instead of Cassell and Ray. Its a tough call but I'd take Redd and Mo on both teams. I still have a bad taste in my mouth when Cassell was on the take to throw that Detroit playoff series. I wonder how much he pocketed from the mafia. Then there's Cassell's tendencies to just jack up shots with no team members in position for rebounds. Sam I Am blew this comparison.

Hmmm...methinks Cassell wasn't the only one to ever do that.

The both do it, but they both hit a lot of 'em.