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Most influencial the last 40 years?

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Most "Influencial" person in basketball last 40 years.

Bobby Knight
0
No votes
Coach K at Duke
0
No votes
David Stern
2
8%
David Stern
2
8%
Michael Jordan
19
76%
Other
2
8%
 
Total votes: 25

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Post#21 » by LISTEN2JAZZ » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:55 pm

upnorthfan1 wrote:lol. I should have qualified my statement. Who has had the most "positive" influence on basketball? Key word being positive. Stern would be last among those mentioned in that regard.
The positive impact debate almost has to be two separate debates. One about which influences are positive, and another about which have more magnitude.

I think Stern has had an overall positive impact. Some things like rule changes have hurt the "purity" of the sport, but I think expanding the reach of the game to the corners of the globe outweighs that. Basketball is in really great shape right now, and he deserves some credit for that.
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Post#22 » by upnorthfan » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:59 pm

zizek wrote:Jerry West merits consideration for assembling the flagship NBA franchise after Auerbach. Dean Smith was the great college talent assembler after Wooden; but Smith might have won championships like Wooden did if he had Knight's coaching talent.

If Magic Johnson had more influence on the game than Jordan the game might be better.


Great post. Dean Smith certainly should have won several more titles. Jordan, Black and Perkins lost to Dan Dakitch and Eve Blabb for Pete's sake, and a coach named (you guessed it), Bobby Knight.

Heck the state with the most influence would have to be Indiana, who gave the basketball world John Wooden and Everette Case.

Case left Indiana to go to North Carolina, and beause of him the state of North Carolina is the hotbed of talent that it is today.

So UCLA, Indiana of course, the state of North Carolina including Duke, UNC, NCS, Charlette, ect. are college basketballs major powers, all rooted in Hoosier influence.

FYI The definition of a Hoosier is someone dribbling a basketball around the Indianapolois 500 looking for mushrooms.
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Post#23 » by upnorthfan » Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:07 pm

adamcz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The positive impact debate almost has to be two separate debates. One about which influences are positive, and another about which have more magnitude.

I think Stern has had an overall positive impact. Some things like rule changes have hurt the "purity" of the sport, but I think expanding the reach of the game to the corners of the globe outweighs that. Basketball is in really great shape right now, and he deserves some credit for that.


I think David Stern is a crook. As a Bucks fan I am sure you have seen over the years some very questionable calls ove the years against the Bucks that leave you knowing we just got F'cked in the arse by BLATANT bad calls. Other small market teams endure the same treatment.

Remember Lebron this year stepped out of bounds TWICE on the same play?

You do know there is the largest sports scandal in the history of sports going on as we speak, a scandal of spoint shaving, fixing, and beating point spreads.

Do you ever hear about it? No. Are they along with ESPN and other entities sweeping it under the rug until it goes away? Yes.

Corruption. Cheating Joe average fan of his favorite teams destiny at times by cheating and favoring certain teams with corrupt officials.

If anyone thinks this was just one official and Stern didn't know about it, well, they are being niave.

Stern has been bad for business. With Bird and Magic and then Jordan he just happened to be at the right place at the right time. It's not like no one else could have marketed them.
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Post#24 » by LISTEN2JAZZ » Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:14 pm

Sorry, but I just can't get into conspiracy theories. Stern ordering refs to throw games? Stern rigging the draft? I think that's just silly.
Stern has been bad for business.
Owners currently have the opportunity to sell their teams for something like 150x free cash flow, and this is in spite of Stern hurting the business? What would NBA franchises sell for if not for Stern? A billion dollars each?
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Post#25 » by upnorthfan » Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:24 pm

adamcz wrote:Sorry, but I just can't get into conspiracy theories. Stern ordering refs to throw games? Stern rigging the draft? I think that's just silly.
Stern has been bad for business.
Owners currently have the opportunity to sell their teams for something like 150x free cash flow, and this is in spite of Stern hurting the business? What would NBA franchises sell for if not for Stern? A billion dollars each?


Yes, my bad, lemme rephrase that. Stern has made the finacial impact the league has for sure. However, you can not convince me officials haven't showed blatant favoritism for certain teams and players over the years. No way, I have seen it for myself thousands of times.

I think if you asked around, others have seen it too.
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Post#26 » by upnorthfan » Sat Mar 8, 2008 10:20 pm

adamcz wrote:Sorry, but I just can't get into conspiracy theories. Stern ordering refs to throw games? Stern rigging the draft? I think that's just silly.


Hell his own wife asked him "how did you rig the '85 draft?"
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Post#27 » by upnorthfan » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:51 pm

adamcz wrote:Sorry, but I just can't get into conspiracy theories. Stern ordering refs to throw games? Stern rigging the draft? I think that's just silly.

Donaghy went to same high school that produced five NBA officials including himself. That same high school produced two of the biggest sports bookies on the East Coast. Just an FYI.

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