Bogut VS Dalembert

[Nowak008]

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First of all, i have no idea why you're ranting on and on and on again about Mo to me like i'm his biggest fan given i was hardly jumping for joy when we gave him his contract or since i've said about a 1000 times i want our backcourt shipped out with defenders who have toughness brought in.

All i've ever disagreed with you on Mo is how much blame you heap on him for the Bucks struggles. The Bucks are 2-6 in games Mo has missed and last year were 4-10. Yesterday the team was blown out at home and gave up 60% shooting with Mo watching. The game before we gave up 54% shooting while Mo watched, we stop nobody regardless if Mo plays or not and are 6-16 the last two years in games Mo missed. Also, for all the blame you put on Mo for Bogut not getting touches, Andrew is averaging only 11.3ppg in games Mo sits and 14ppg when Mo plays. That selfish Mo sure is holding Andrew back.

All i said in the thread was that Dalembert is a better rebounder this year. You in typical fashion came rushing in screaming about the Bogut haters with an agenda, thus of course implying you don't have one with is laughable. I have no problem ripping on Mo/Redd and not making excuses for poor play, which is why i'd like to trade both or at least have Mo be a 6th man. I'm just not going to treat Andrew with kid gloves, find every excuse in the book, and blame his teammates/coaches for poor play or poor attitude from Bogut like you do.

The next time you accuse others on here of having an agenda, you should look in the mirror first.

Great stat. Mo holding Bogut back has always been a huge joke. If you want to rip on Mo's defense, go ahead. He is a terrible defender.

[gobbler]

If you have a team with a scoring PF and just need a guy to grab rebounds, block, and score off others, Dalembert. If you want a C to do more than that Bogut is better. At least right now. If you take basically any of Dalembert's years other than this year against Bogut this year or last year, you'd take Bogut, unless you really, really value shotblocking.

Dalembert is a nice center to have as a complementary piece, but that is all he'll ever be. Bogut is starting to look like, and probably will be, one of the crucial pieces to a team. If you're a team like the Bucks who has two guards who just want to jack up shots, well, Dalembert would fit what they do better.

[El Duderino]

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Great stat. Mo holding Bogut back has always been a huge joke. If you want to rip on Mo's defense, go ahead. He is a terrible defender.

The funny thing is i'm all for trading Mo next year or seeing if he'll accept being a 6th man, my guess is he complains though about that. Yet, because at times i defend Mo for bogus stuff, it's ignored that i'd prefer he's not starting for us next year since he refuses to defend.

Stuff like the other day, either rilaman or someone else was saying see, TJ leads the Raptors to another playoff berth while Mo didn't. All the while ignoring the Raptors have a much better team, the Bucks are 6-16 the last two years with Mo not playing, and the Raptors are 15-16 with Ford healthy and 19-12 in games Ford didn't play this year.

I have no problem with people who don't want Mo as our starting PG given i agree, at some point defenders need to be added and poor ones removed if the Bucks ever want to have a decent defense. All the blame heaped on Mo though by so many on here is laughable, as if TJ Ford would have lead last years injury ravaged Bucks team to the playoffs or this terrible roster to the playoffs.

Then the topper to say and act like TJ being in the playoffs again this year is because he's a "winner who makes all of his teammate better", ignoring that the Raptors are 15-16 when he plays and 19-12 when he doesn't. So far this year the best way Ford has made his teammates better is to be in a suit on the bench and not being on the court.