Bucks Training Staff

mnstinks · Post #1 » by **mnstinks** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:07 am

These people need to take some heat. They are not preventing injuries, nor are they doing well at recovery from injury. And, of course you look at someone like Charlie V who may not even know where the weight room is:

Head Athletic Trainer/Travel Coordinator
Andre Daniel

Strength and Conditioning Coach
Tim Wilson

Assistant Athletic Trainer/Asst. Strength Coach
John Anderson

Post #2 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:09 am

We've talked about this topic in the past......

I don't have the statistics on the Bucks versus other teams but it seems like our guys are more banged up.....

Once upon a time Kohl really got tired of the injuries so he went out and presumably paid big money and lured Mark Pfeil away from the Bulls to be our trainer....that guy was great.....and we seemed to have less injuries in those years...then Pfeil left or retired.....

WEFFPIM · Post #3 » by **WEFFPIM** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:09 am

Injuries can't really be prevented, persay. Sometimes some freak thing happens. But the fact that Redd has been out two weeks with a twisted knee is ridiculous, and that Simmons is out with a bruised shin at all.

Epicurus · Post #4 » by **Epicurus** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:19 am

Way, way back in the 50s and early 60s, the Celtics looked like mummies when they played. Almost every player, but particularly Heinson, Ramsey, Cousy, and KC Jones were so wrapped in tape, you would have thought their trainer was an ancient Egyptian. But they played, no matter what.

mnstinks · Post #5 » by **mnstinks** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:23 am

My wife is a PT, which is why I take interest in these injuries. She helped me understand Bobby Simmons injuries last year, and how bad it was (or apparently was), so I wasn't too hard on him.

But these nagging injuries and the lack of a quick recovery is ridiculous.

ClassicJack · Post #6 » by **ClassicJack** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:30 am

But Andre Daniel was a trainer for the Packers and Favre never missed a game. :dontknow:

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #7 » by **Buck You** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 4:56 am

ClassicJack wrote:But Andre Daniel was a trainer for the Packers and Favre never missed a game.

Favre isn't human.

zizek · Post #8 » by **zizek** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:57 am

Favre has probably gone through good and bad trainers. Were the Packers relatively healthy with Daniel? Not that it couldn't have been luck.

GrandAdmiralDan · Post #9 » by **GrandAdmiralDan** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 7:49 am

paulpressey25 wrote:We've talked about this topic in the past......

I don't have the statistics on the Bucks versus other teams but it seems like our guys are more banged up.....

Once upon a time Kohl really got tired of the injuries so he went out and presumably paid big money and lured Mark Pfeil away from the Bulls to be our trainer....that guy was great.....and we seemed to have less injuries in those years...then Pfeil left or retired.....

Yep.
That's another drum I've been banging for quite a while now.
Last season I really thought we ought to replace our training/conditioning staff and started calling for them to be fired.

I even remember going as far as to say last season that it was more critical to replace them than it was to replace Stotts, and we all know how much I wanted Stotts gone last season.

Besides the pitiful job we do of actually dealing with the injuries once they occur, our guys don't maintain the proper conditioning and strength training, and in doing so they make themselves more susceptible to injury. I know some people say that injuries are mostly just freak things and aren't preventable, but that simply is not true. What kind of shape you are in impacts the severity of an injury (and sometimes the occurrence altogether) and it also plays a role as far as the length of the recovery process. Our staff needs to keep our guys in better shape.

The Pistons staff I would say is the best in the league. The Bucks are among the worst. Just another case of our franchise skimping on "peripherals" that impact success.

Also, I recall Epi mentioning it partly in jest as far as something his wife asked him while they were watching one of the games once, but I think team nutrition needs to be examined too. Seriously. Nutrition plays a huge role in how your body maintains itself and repairs itself and is crucial in virtually all aspects of being an elite athlete. We should be looking for all of these types of advantages because in the grand scheme of things they are not that costly to implement at all.

I also think that something Epi mentioned last year

mnstinks · Post #10 » by **mnstinks** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:21 am

I see Andre Daniel and the rest of the blow hards still suck.

mnstinks · Post #11 » by **mnstinks** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:42 am

I wish Andre Daniel would tape Michael Redd's cankles, so he would go down with a season ending injury.

Nowak008 · Post #12 » by **Nowak008** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:48 am

I think some of it is because we have to rely on our starters more then most teams. If we had a better bench we wouldn't have to ride our starters so much. Mo has gotten 2 injuries this year to overuse.

trwi7 · Post #13 » by **trwi7** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:50 am

mnstinks wrote:I wish Andre Daniel would tape Michael Redd's cankles, so he would go down with a season ending injury.

NotYoAvgNBAFan · Post #14 » by **NotYoAvgNBAFan** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:44 am

WEFFPIM wrote:Injuries can't really be prevented, persay. Sometimes some freak thing happens. But the fact that Redd has been out two weeks with a twisted knee is ridiculous, and that Simmons is out with a bruised shin at all.

The Pistons trainer Rickie Abdenour I think and Gary Vitti in LA and Mark Pfeil were good ones...

Rarely do you see Lakers, Pistons or those Bulls teams have sustained injuries that keep their players out long.

The guys in Utah, Sns, San Antonio, Boston, and Philly, and a few other teams as well has excellent trainers as well.

Some players hire their own personal trainers as well I guess. But the Bucks have always been banged up or had soft players who do not want to play hurt...

I think Pfeil was fired or let go for some weird reason I forget but yes he was excellent.