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Post#41 » by InsideOut » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:23 pm

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I think Pat Riley does that deal and fast. They noted on ESPN.com today that Marion is only averaging 14ppg since the trade......I highlighted Marion and Brand because I think both are over-rated and getting older.

I'm actually not sure I want to those deals....


I think it all depends on what Marion or Brand want to get paid. If they take 10 million I think Miami and LA would want to keep their guys. If they demand 15-18 million like Redd they'd jump at the trade in a second. However, then the Bucks won't make the deal because no way in the world is Kohl pay Redd and Marion or Brand 15+ million a season. I see it as a no win for the Bucks. If we are able to swing a trade it's because those two guys want way too much money, if we can't swing a deal it's because those guys signed for less. Either way my guess is those guys would need many more millions to sign with Milwaukee than stay in Miami or LA. Nevertheless, would you rather the Bucks finish poorly and get the 3rd pick or finish great and get the 6th pick?
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Post#42 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:27 pm

InsideOut wrote:-= Nevertheless, would you rather the Bucks finish poorly and get the 3rd pick or finish great and get the 6th pick?


Naturally I'd want the third pick.....and as we've always talked on here, you can showcase Mo and CV to some extent, but then play Sessions, give Yi many minutes, etc.....we'll lose naturally and develop players.
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Post#43 » by LISTEN2JAZZ » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:46 pm

I need help plugging these numbers into excel in a pseudo-scientific way. What I did thus far was credit each position with 1 point for yielding an all-star type player and 3 points for yielding a superstar type player.

The problem is that I'm relying far too heavily on my own judgement to decide who's worth 1 point and who's worth 3. Are Josh Smith and Al Jefferson good enough to get a point for being all-star type players? Is Chris Bosh good enough to be worth 3 points, or just 1?
PP wrote:Then do the same for 1985-1995 and virtually every top-20 player in that era will have been a top-five lotto pick. Most top three.
Absolutely. I didn't follow the NBA during those years, and although I'm pretty well-read about hoops history by this point, I found myself wondering who a lot of the guys are who were drafted outside the top 10 or even top 5 during some of those years.

The guessing game began precisely in 1996, the year after KG was drafted. All of the sudden in that year, high school players picked in the middle of the middle of the first round had the potential to be superstars. It was a total crapshoot, and there was significantly less benefit for drafting towards the top.

Even so, there are a lot more points coming from the top 5 draft picks during those years than there are coming from picks 6-10

I think the current situation, with the best prospects going to school for one year will turn out to be halfway in between these two eras.

1985-1995: The era when virtually all of the great players were drafted in the top 5, and where #1 picks were instant all-stars.

1996-2006: The crapshoot era where #1 overall picks were likely to be stars, but the rest of the lotto was almost a level playing field (due to impossibility of accurately scouting players). More good players were drafted #9 than #2.

2007 - ?: Somewhere in-between. I think we will find that as long as current rules are in place, the #2 and #3 picks will yield more good players than the #4 and #5 picks, but we will also see an occasional good player being drafted later in the first round, as we did in the crapshoot era.

The only way we could return to very predictable drafts is if the age limit is raised one more year so that college players are evaluated for two full seasons. But in spite of all of that, there has always been a clear incentive to draft early.
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Post#44 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:42 pm

adamcz wrote: Are Josh Smith and Al Jefferson good enough to get a point for being all-star type players? Is Chris Bosh good enough to be worth 3 points, or just 1?


Just use your judgment....I think you ask yourself is this guy a top-15 talent. And are they a top 15 talent based on what they have accomplished so far and not just "potential". If the guy is top 15 then he gets three points. If top 50 then one point.

I think we'd all agree Bosh is top 15 and that Jefferson and Josh Smith are somewhere in the 15-50 marker....

I can help you rank the 1985-95 guys if you want input.

The other wild card is the foreign invasion that started in around 2000 after the world figured out Dirk was a franchise player. Prior to that, almost all the foreign guys when late first or most likely second round.
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Post#45 » by EastSideBucksFan » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:09 pm

Unless we get a Top 3 pick, I'm all for trading the pick for immediate help and/or trying to shed a contract.


I'm curious what CV/1st rd pick/Simmons or Gadz could get us

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