OT: Chinese Investments in former Pabst Brewery Site

[xTitan]

Sorry ESBF but 1 athlete does not turn around an economy, a city, and above all a stereotype....they did that through business and revitalization.

[WEFFPIM]

One athlete can certainly make a population proud to be living in a city, but it doesn't provoke them to start building new coffeehouses and condo complexes.

[carmelbrownqueen]

Sorry ESBF but 1 athlete does not turn around an economy, a city, and above all a stereotype....they did that through business and revitalization.

One athlete has helped to distract people from the problems in Cleveland though.. their crime rate is equally ridiculous there but it doesn't get the negative pub that it used too.

[msiris]

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Whenever I travel and tell people that I was born and raised in Wisconsin, they are typically astonished.. most believe that there aren't very many Racial Minorities in the state, that we all drink beer, and the only other thing they know is Jeffery Dahmer... Oh and snow. They don't believe anything else happens here.

People in general are clueless about Wisconsin. When I visit my in-laws, who are asian and from ST Paul, they think we are bunch of hicks from here. Than when they visited they were like wow you have a lot of different people here. I said Duhhhhhh.

[mcfromage]

Yeah, I foolishly overlooked the tailgating tradition.

I think Milwaukee does this small-thinking thing to themselves. Whenever free agency's discussed, it's always like, "Oh, but they'll never want to come here..." And we buy into that inferiority complex.

Why can't FAs come here? Do what it takes to turn this place into a cleaner, less-crime ridden, slightly smaller version of Chicago, in terms of "coolness". Why are we synonymous with farms and cheese? It kills me.

I think farms and cheese are cool.

[msiris]

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I think farms and cheese are cool.

So does California.

[pilprin]

There had been talk of chinese Partnership with the Bucks in the past - I'm not sure how that materialized or the status of that. Is it totally crazy to think that a Chinese contingent could become a minority owner of the Bucks?

[fam3381]

True that. Boston is very racist. In this day and age, that's really surprising, especially for a "northern" city.

Is that based on your experience or just reputation? I'm not going to vigorously dispute it, just curious if it was based on a more personal situation like CBQ's.

I've lived in the Boston area nine years now and even now I'm not sure I can comment very definitively on it. My first four years here were in college, so that was necessarily a very progressive and I'd say insular environment. And for the last five years I've lived in Cambridge near Harvard Square, which tends to attract a disproportionate number of people from out of state as well as people from other countries. So again I've never been aware of much of a problem around where I live, whether seeing it myself or second hand from minorities that I know. But it's also not a very representative sample of the Boston area.

From my experience Boston natives aren't the most pleasant people in the world in general, so I wouldn't be shocked if that also manifested itself in racism, xenophobia, etc. I'm certainly not going to say that it doesn't exist, but the influx of non-New Englanders has improved that in many parts of the area IMO. It's always interesting to see movies like Mystic River, the Departed or Gone Baby Gone because they really play up the gritty, blue collar side of Boston, but it's also very easy to live in the city and never see any of that. I guess that's the effect of gentrification though. CBQ if you don't mind my asking, which part of Boston did your family live in?

[carmelbrownqueen]

[quote="fam3381"][/quote]Hey Fam-

I have a number of family members who were raised a majority of their lives in the area, the last bit of family lived in Boston, Andover and I know some were close to Amherst (yikes!). Most lived in Boston and a few others were in various other parts that I can't recall at the moment.. I would have to ask them again but I think I had a couple younger relatives in the Cambridge area also.

They were always very concerned about the racial disparities in Mass. and often spoke of incidents where they felt targeted and somewhat unwanted. They said things were pretty bad, and from their description things didn't seem to be improving all that much.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

My undergraduate experience in Boston was with one of the most diverse schools in the country with an insanely high percentage of foreign students. My experiences weren't a typical representation of the greater city, but for what it's worth, I thought it was one of the most racially/culturally-positive environments I've ever been in.

On the other hand, I've also spent some time hanging out in some other New England cities and Boston suburbs alongside nothing but true locals. Would not be surprised if those areas are contributing to the reputation being mentioned here.

Proper Boston is mostly office buildings and college students, so I doubt that's what people are referring to. It would have to be the suburbs, right?

[carmelbrownqueen]

Let me be clear on something.. my immediate family absolutely refused to allow any of their children to visit Mass.. they used to visit on occasion but felt that the racial environment from their own experience and from the descriptions provided by my relatives were to negative to have us join in the trips.

I have a wide array of hues in my African American family, but a large number are caramel colored brown and somewhat darker.. they had some pretty horrifying situations happen with them on high school and their college campuses.. and also in the general community. They loved Mass in general but did not like their treatment so I can only go by their experiences on this stuff because I never have gone there myself.

ETA: Let me add that Wisconsin is considered very high on the racial segregation list (nationally) but rarely have I had some of the experiences described by my family in the State of Massachusetts. I have had some incidents in Wisconsin that haven't been necessarily positive (driving while black situation in Brown Deer, couple of incidents in Undergrad at UWM, racial profiling situations at the Grand Ave. when I was a teen, couple of incidents at my Catholic High School).. but my lifelong experiences here haven't been of the calibur they have described from all the years they have lived in Massachusetts. They have a lot of stories.. and I'm happy they all finally moved to other places at this point.

[Fandom]

Unfortunately, all of the, we'll call them, "location" stereotypes still exist today and it's probably a combination of a few things; ignorance is probably one, lack of exposure to those cities/locations is probably another, especially if you're a person who doesn't get to travel a lot.

Everyone from Wisconsin eats cheese, drinks beer, is a hick and loves the Packers, everyone from the west coast is a pot smoking hippy, everyone from the east coast is an ****/elitist, everyone from the south is a racist and waves the confederate flag on their front porch, only old people live in Florida, I could keep going, but you get the point...

My wife travels across the country a lot during the summer and anytime anyone, no matter where she is, finds out she's from Wisconsin, the above I mentioned is asked and talked about.

They'll never end.

[battier31]

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I've been saying that for years. And yet during the whole time that the original Pabst City plans were discussed, and ultimately voted down, never ONCE was there ANY talk of including a new arena as part of that development.

How much interest will the Chinese have in Milwaukee in two years when Yi is still nothing more than a bench player?

Not true MD because I remember YOU talking about that idea when the Pabst City idea got shot down because of our backwards thinking civic leaders.

[MickeyDavis]

Yeah I thought it was a no brainer to at least TALK about it. Big new development being proposed? Bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, hotels? Seemed like a good place for a new arena to me but no one even brought it up.

And yet next week we have another election for a mayor who doesn't do ANYTHING and a county exec who is against EVERYTHING.

The creativity of this area was sucked out a long time ago.

[th87]

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Yeah, it's totally cool in the city. Plus there are lots of college students there, so the diversity is really high.

However, once you get out to the less diverse parts, there seems to be this bit of tension. It isn't completely overt from my experiences, but there's a slight "distrust" of differences. As an example, a friend of mine was a tutor and had to change his Muslim sounding name before getting any work (he was slightly outside the city). Of course, this could be a coincidence, but given CBQ's stories, I wouldn't be surprised.

[th87]

But honestly, is anyone else really tired of being the "underdog" in everything?

Milwaukee's an underdog city with money, attractions, planning, etc. not matching up with other cities. Our teams are constantly underdogs because people don't ideally want to come here. We're always a quaint punchline to someone's fat joke. We recruit big unathletic players that end up not being able to compete with the ACCs and SECs of the world. We can't build skyscrapers because marshland (or whatever) is expensive to build on.

[jerrod]

i was really looking forward to that house of blues at pabst city


and cbq,

that's just depressing, hard to believe people can be so F***** up

[beyond_the_arc]

Sorry ESBF but 1 athlete does not turn around an economy, a city, and above all a stereotype....they did that through business and revitalization.

Cleveland has not turned around their rep or city, half of the development that was lauded in the early 90's has gone back to being a burned out empty district in the heart of downtown. The Flats are dying out and the city is suffering from the suburbs turning their back on the city and the rise of Columbus drawing jobs, people and investment.

[mpg]

i was really looking forward to that house of blues at pabst city

House of Blues? Ya you go one block west of pabst across the expressway and you're in the ghetto. You can see boarded-up houses from the expressway.