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This was my #1 option so not to happy about it. Not a bad move by the Pistons I guess for not letting him go into the division. I guess Ill take the Suns guy now. Or of course Walsh if he falls into our laps
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drew881 wrote:If Hammond really wants a shot at GM here, you would think the Pistons would eventually give in. Better to not have him there, than have him be in Detroit and really bitter.
I also don't buy the within the division BS...its a GM...
Not only that, but divisions in the NBA are not really relevant. Conference yes, division no.
This is not the NFL. This is not MLB.
THIS... IS... THE NBA!
Sorry, this is one of my pet peeves. One of those things that makes my head almost explode. And this is the second recent mention of this.
Sometimes I go through and and go over all of the numbers showing why this is the case. ATM I don't feel like it. I should really save my explanation in some file somewhere
Also, I didn't get around to commenting, but there is a thread regarding trading Redd for Ben Wallace. When that idea got panned, one of the OP's responses was that they didn't mean that exact trade, just for a player in those circumstances, and then added something along the lines of how the Bucks and Cavs obviously wouldn't make that kind of trade within the division... which totally ignores the fact that the Cavs acquired Wallace from fellow Central Division team Chicago.
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[quote="GrandAdmiralDan"][/quote]Divisions are relevant...
That is foolish. Very rarely do you see intradivsional trades unless they are between two GM's who trust and know each other like Danny Ferry and John Paxson...
It is rare and Ben Wallace for Redd is highly unlikely...unless a team is desperate.
If you want to talk about intradivsional trades hell, I would have gone for Jermaine O'Neal over Wallace....
Not gonna happen...
But in the East, divsional trades are more likely because all the teams suck. But you do not see those types of deals between competing teams in the West.
This was a friendship trade...between Ferry and Paxson because these two dumbasses passed on Bibby and Garnett and Gasol...so they made this to save face and their jobs.
Look at the underlying reasons why a trade goes through before you come criticize it. That is all this was...
LeBron was on Ferry and Paxson and not Scott Skiles is to blame in Chi town! If Larry Harris is gone certainly he should be!!!
Desperation friend trades...that is all it is.
That is foolish. Very rarely do you see intradivsional trades unless they are between two GM's who trust and know each other like Danny Ferry and John Paxson...
It is rare and Ben Wallace for Redd is highly unlikely...unless a team is desperate.
If you want to talk about intradivsional trades hell, I would have gone for Jermaine O'Neal over Wallace....
Not gonna happen...
But in the East, divsional trades are more likely because all the teams suck. But you do not see those types of deals between competing teams in the West.
This was a friendship trade...between Ferry and Paxson because these two dumbasses passed on Bibby and Garnett and Gasol...so they made this to save face and their jobs.
Look at the underlying reasons why a trade goes through before you come criticize it. That is all this was...
LeBron was on Ferry and Paxson and not Scott Skiles is to blame in Chi town! If Larry Harris is gone certainly he should be!!!
Desperation friend trades...that is all it is.
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you want to know the rea l reason interdivision trades are rarely accomplished in pro sports? it's not out of fear. it's plainly because ofthe small number of teams within the divisions to begin with.
Look at baseball. there are 30 teams. In each division there is either 4, 5 or 6 teams. A review of trades made in MLB over the course of a yea r would indicate on the average about 12-15 trades are made each year. That's it. it's not like MLB teams are very big on trades. look at the Brewers. they added a bunch of players in the off season, and made only 1 trade. The brewers traded estrada to the only team that would take him. The brewers ended up waiving mench and vargus rather than making a trade. trades just don't happen anymore. Looking at it statistically, it's much easier to make a trade among 25 teams, than it is with 5 teams. Looking at inside the division trades, they have happened rather frequently within the NL central division the last 5 years. The brewers and cubs have made trades with the astros and cards and pirates. a lot of current cubs are former pirates. The reds have also made several trades with the cards and cubs. the % of interdivision trades in baseball is on par with the % of trades made overall.
the same principles apply to the NFL. Very few trades are made in the NFL - period. And when thinking that there are only 4 teams i n one division, it's very hard for a team to find a good fit with only 3 other teams. The packers need a veteran Qb to back up Rogers. They are not going to find a good back-up Qb on the bears, lions, or Vikings, so if they do make a trade for a vateran QB, it's going to be with a team outside their division. it doesn't really have much to do with being division rivals. it has more to do with the availability and needs of the teams within that division as opposed to the availabilit y of players outside the division.
In the NBA , the real reason teams don't trade within their division has more to do with the salary cap than it does with trading with rivals.
A similar analogy. You want to purchase a car for under $10,000. You live in Milwaukee. There are lots of good used cars in milwaukee, so you probably will not look elsewhere for a good car. the same applies to somebody who lives in Chicago. A guy in Chicago would probably never look in the Milwaukee classified for a used car.
now you come to a guy who lives in Beardstown, Il. his town has a buick and a chevy dealership. Does he stay local and buy a local car? or does he do a national search to make a trade? he goes to cars.com and ebay at make a trade and ends up buying a car in Washington DC. the airfare from St Louis to DC is $87 one way. he gets a great car and drives it back home to Beardstown. he would have gladly traded his car to a local dealer if a quality one was available. he would have gladly made an interdivision trade. but he had to look outside his division. People who live in big cities are more likely to trade within their city. people who live in the country are more likely to look outside of their local areas. it's the fool who lives in a small town and is loyal to his local dealership and never looks outside the box.
I'm quite certain if the Bucks had a quality veteran PF/C, the Cavs would have contacted the bucks and tried to make a trade. but the truth is, the Bucks didn't have a quality pf/c to trade. All they had was voshkul and gadz. And if you looked around the NBA, the only other PF and C that were available to trade were Shaq and Randolph. Cleveland traded for the guy who best fit their system. and it happened to be in division.
The biggest and real reason that so few inter division trades are made in baseball, football and basketball is simply because of teh salary caps, and free agency, there is no longer a real pressing need to make a trade. teams trade a lot less now than they did in the past. and there are a lot more teams to choose from.
The stuff about teams not wanting to make a trade with their rival in their division is more myth and legend than actual reality. i have a feeling if the Bulls offered the Bucks somebody for Yi or Cv, the bucks would accept it. Hinrich for CV?
Look at baseball. there are 30 teams. In each division there is either 4, 5 or 6 teams. A review of trades made in MLB over the course of a yea r would indicate on the average about 12-15 trades are made each year. That's it. it's not like MLB teams are very big on trades. look at the Brewers. they added a bunch of players in the off season, and made only 1 trade. The brewers traded estrada to the only team that would take him. The brewers ended up waiving mench and vargus rather than making a trade. trades just don't happen anymore. Looking at it statistically, it's much easier to make a trade among 25 teams, than it is with 5 teams. Looking at inside the division trades, they have happened rather frequently within the NL central division the last 5 years. The brewers and cubs have made trades with the astros and cards and pirates. a lot of current cubs are former pirates. The reds have also made several trades with the cards and cubs. the % of interdivision trades in baseball is on par with the % of trades made overall.
the same principles apply to the NFL. Very few trades are made in the NFL - period. And when thinking that there are only 4 teams i n one division, it's very hard for a team to find a good fit with only 3 other teams. The packers need a veteran Qb to back up Rogers. They are not going to find a good back-up Qb on the bears, lions, or Vikings, so if they do make a trade for a vateran QB, it's going to be with a team outside their division. it doesn't really have much to do with being division rivals. it has more to do with the availability and needs of the teams within that division as opposed to the availabilit y of players outside the division.
In the NBA , the real reason teams don't trade within their division has more to do with the salary cap than it does with trading with rivals.
A similar analogy. You want to purchase a car for under $10,000. You live in Milwaukee. There are lots of good used cars in milwaukee, so you probably will not look elsewhere for a good car. the same applies to somebody who lives in Chicago. A guy in Chicago would probably never look in the Milwaukee classified for a used car.
now you come to a guy who lives in Beardstown, Il. his town has a buick and a chevy dealership. Does he stay local and buy a local car? or does he do a national search to make a trade? he goes to cars.com and ebay at make a trade and ends up buying a car in Washington DC. the airfare from St Louis to DC is $87 one way. he gets a great car and drives it back home to Beardstown. he would have gladly traded his car to a local dealer if a quality one was available. he would have gladly made an interdivision trade. but he had to look outside his division. People who live in big cities are more likely to trade within their city. people who live in the country are more likely to look outside of their local areas. it's the fool who lives in a small town and is loyal to his local dealership and never looks outside the box.
I'm quite certain if the Bucks had a quality veteran PF/C, the Cavs would have contacted the bucks and tried to make a trade. but the truth is, the Bucks didn't have a quality pf/c to trade. All they had was voshkul and gadz. And if you looked around the NBA, the only other PF and C that were available to trade were Shaq and Randolph. Cleveland traded for the guy who best fit their system. and it happened to be in division.
The biggest and real reason that so few inter division trades are made in baseball, football and basketball is simply because of teh salary caps, and free agency, there is no longer a real pressing need to make a trade. teams trade a lot less now than they did in the past. and there are a lot more teams to choose from.
The stuff about teams not wanting to make a trade with their rival in their division is more myth and legend than actual reality. i have a feeling if the Bulls offered the Bucks somebody for Yi or Cv, the bucks would accept it. Hinrich for CV?