mia/mil/indy

[xTitan]

I can't see trading our best player who is locked up long term for a guy who will leave at the first opportunity. it's not like any other all stars are going to come to Milwaukee to replace marion once he leaves. jus t beause he wil have an expiring contract doesn't mea n the bucks will be able to turn it into anything worth while.

Who was the last quality free agent the bucks signed ? Simmons? mason? When was the last time the bucks pulled off a lopsided trade? ford fo CV?

I see no improvement acquiring marion.

Redd would be a great player if he was the second best bucks player and if his other guard loved to play defense and was able to control the flow of the game. The bucks don't need marion. What they need is a guard who can complememnt redd and cover his flaws. Mo is not that player because Mo is too much like redd. mo has a lot of talent, but he doesn't play defense. The Bucks would be better off with a less talented point guard who could distribute the ball, play defense and allow redd to do his reggie miller imitations.

No, the Bucks would be trading Redd.

[Balls2TheWalls]

Just think of the cap room if Marion decides to leave. I like it. No one wants to be strapped to Redd's long term deal. The only problem with the trade is that we don't dump any of our other bad contracts.

[MajorDad]

cap room is worthless. haven't you been paying attention to what the bucks have done with their extra cap room in the past ten years? they use it to give heaps of money to mediocre players including resigning their own to huge unwarrented contracts. i can just see what will happen the next time the bucks gets some cap room. they'll re-sign CV and Yi and bogut to 6 year max contracts and they'll use any money left over to extend gadz and Vohskuhl. it's not like the bucks would use the extra cap room to sign somebody like yao or Artest or Odom, or Williams , boozer, Howard, Gashol or Paul.

extra cap money is only good if you have a team that free agents want to flock to - which we are not - or if you have an owner/gm who knows how to spend it wisely which we have never shown the ability to do.

Cap room for the bucks is very scary. having extra cap room is what made the bucks worse by wasting it on Simmons, gadz, bell and Mo and redd instead of making smart trades and signing an impact free agent.

Giving the bucks extra cap room is like Dennis Rodman getting married to Mike Tyson with Michael Jackson as their mistress - a very bad and scary idea. You don't give a 4 year old a loaded gun. You also don't give Kohl extra cap room money to spend.

I can't believe any sane Bucks fan would ever want the Bucks to have extra cap room ever again!

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Major Dad, it isn't about cap room to sign free agents. It's about having available salary to re-sign Bogut and our draft picks, and perhaps a MLE in the future.

It isn't possible to keep everyone currently on our roster and give Bogut the extension that he will likely be able to demand.

Regardless of how you feel about our ability to recruit and sign allstar free agents, there is still a total budget available to any team, and we are at the limit. Look at how the Suns had to sell their draft picks several years in a row.

If you think the current group of guys is an acceptble way to spend our entire budget, I have to disagree. I'd rather Redd/Simmons/Gadz be replaced with the ability to extend Bogut, and keep all our draft picks going forward.

[paulpressey25]

I like Marion's play but worry that he is a cancer on the downhill side of things......you listen to some Heat fans and they aren't really thrilled with the guy in the limited action he's had there.

I don't see any Marion trade going down unless there is an extension verbally agreed to. GAD can discuss the rules on such a thing, but Marion will have to not opt-out before such a deal can be made.

I still see Marion maybe opting out and getting a $50 to $70mm new deal from Philly this summer. He might be a missing piece for that team going into next year.

[showtimesam]

I wish we could throw in Mo and get Haslem somehow.

Then if OJ Mayo falls into our laps in the draft we'd be looking at a nice lineup.

Sessions
Mayo
Marion
Yi/Haslem
Bogut/Haslem

That team can D it up.

[MajorDad]

the Bucks could go over their cap to keep Bogut if they wanted to. The bucks have been over the cap before. although it's kind of stupid to go over the cap and remain a lottery team. although that has never stopped the Knicks.

I'm still not sure if Bogut is worth keeping. i know i don't want to keep Yi or CV or mason or any of the other Bucks. can we trtade the entire team to las vegas ? and start over from scratch as an expansion team? That worked really well the last time. We got Lew and a championship within 4 years.

[raferfenix]

I can't believe people aren't jumping all over a Marion trade! Even if he's on the downside of his career, he still is one of only a very best defenders in the league, a great rebounder, and his physicality on offesne would be a major boon for us as well. The defensive combo with him and Bogut would be great, and he'd also be a very good long term compliment to Yi as well.

If he were willing to sign a reasonable extension I'd be all over this. I'd have no problem paying $15 mill a year for one of hte league's very best defenders.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

the Bucks could go over their cap to keep Bogut if they wanted to. The bucks have been over the cap before.

Except we aren't talking about the cap; we're talking about the luxury tax threshold.

I'm still not sure if Bogut is worth keeping.

But Redd is???

It's interesting how we could view the same players so differently.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I like Marion more as a player than Redd, and I think that if he decides to leave that his cap room would be instrumental in keeping Bogut with the team. If not, maybe Kohl will decide to go into the luxury tax to keep Bogut. I wouldn't count on it.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I don't see any Marion trade going down unless there is an extension verbally agreed to. GAD can discuss the rules on such a thing, but Marion will have to not opt-out before such a deal can be made.

Here's how it works:
Marion has an ETO for the 08-09 season he is currently under contract for.
If he wishes to become a FA in the 2008 offseason (this coming offseason) he must use that ETO by July 1st.

He can also file paperwork that would preclude him from using his ETO, meaning that he could be traded as early as the day after Miami plays its final game this season (and whoever they are trading with also must have no remaining games)

If he either files that paperwork or just doesn't use his ETO by July 1st, he will be under contract for 08-09 and be able to be traded with a contract extension being part of the conditions of the trade (I choose to refer to this as an "extension and trade")

There is a key difference as far as the extension would be concerned if he is traded prior to July 1st as opposed to being traded after the July Moratorium (no trades can be made from July 1st until the end of the Moratorium). Extensions must conform to the maximum contract length rules, but for that total they include the number of contract years not yet completed. So if an extension and trade occurs prior to July 1st, then 07-08 counts as year one and year six, 2012-2013, is as far as you can go. If he is extended and traded after the July Moratorium, then 08-09 counts as year one and year six, 2013-2014, is as far as you can go.

If Marion instead becomes a FA in the 2008 offseason by using his ETO, then a contract extension is no longer possible of course since there is no contract to extend. A new contract would be needed, and the sign & trade avenue becomes how one would pursue Marion in a trade at that point.

Marion's previous salary is so huge that he would not be a BYC player for the purposes of that S&T.

[MajorDad]

What's marion's past health like? i see he is done for the season with some type of mysterious injury. looks like he is taking one for the team. I thought Miami had already clinched the worst record in the NBA. Although having marion out for the year helps to ensure miami loses the rest of their games.