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Post#21 » by fam3381 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:44 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Again, you and I wouldn't necessarily do this. But this is the 20-year history of the Bucks. One-year plans to make the playoffs. I'd argue that last year Kohl was being told Yi was not only the next Dirk but also a money machine. And I'd also argue that Kohl figured that he would make the playoffs this past year, even with drafting Yi.


Yeah, maybe I'm just getting carried away with my own common sense :) I guess the one-year plans concept isn't as compelling to me because we seemed to be forever rebuilding in the early '90s when I first became a fan. But it makes more sense recently and in the late '90s.

paulpressey25 wrote:When you look at the GM's or coaches we'd get, most would appear to be either Herb puppets or say a "win now" coach guy like Larry Brown. With both of those scenarios, it screams a short-term focus rather than a 3-year plan focus.


I kind of wonder how the conversation with a guy like David Griffin goes about this sort of thing. I mean, if you're a self-respecting young hotshot, you're not coming here if the expectation is playoffs in year one. You want a year or two to dump the pieces you don't like (which is probably most of the team) and then rebuild it the way you want to. Obviously Herb doesn't want to wait, but can he get someone desirable if his mandate is what we think it is?
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Post#22 » by raferfenix » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:45 pm

xtitan----I've said numerous times in this thread taht I'd only be willing to trade for Marion if there would be an understanding that he woudl be extended for a reasonable amount when he gets here.

I disagree entirely with the notion that Marion is a limited player. He is one of hte top couple defenders in the league, he is a beast on the boards, and he's great at getting to the rim. Those are all qualities our team is desperate for both in our SF's and PF's, and they are qualities that our team has been missing for quite some time now.

Furthermore, I don't see a Marion trade as a 1 year fix (unless of course there is no understanding about an extension, in which case I would refuse to include the pick). There are few players in the league who could single handedly do more to change the rancid attitude of this team, and his intensity and example would make boht Bogut and Yi a lot better. I think changing that attitude and getting our yougn bigs to develop properly is the MOST important thing we can do this offseason, as if it doesn't change, I find it extremley unlikely that our frnachise would be one where a superstar could develop properly or where a superstar would be happy coming to.
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Post#23 » by Neapolitan Buck » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:44 pm

I agree with you raferfenix, and I wanted to open a thread like this. I believe this draft is not so strong and we need more veteran leadership that would help the locker room and our identity on the court. We have a lot of young players, we need to mix youngsters and veterans. I believe also that a package of Mo + CV + 7th or something like that we can bring here a star to start a new cicle by now, without waiting for a phantomatic future. Start the future by now.
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Post#24 » by Neapolitan Buck » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:49 pm

Beware The Beef wrote:i wanna package it with cv and mo for a s&t for emeka


I like Emeka a lot, but he is not worth CV, Mo and the 7th. We can try to take him and add some talent or a pick or something. Mo and CV for Emeka and a 2nd.
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Post#25 » by bigkurty » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:55 pm

You know all these potential GM's would probably be dying to come work here if we somehow landed picks 1 or 2 in the lottery and the Heat dropped. Seriously pick one or two in the lottery could make for a quick turnaround. Imagine it. Draft Rose and then trade away some combination of Mo, Redd, CV or Yi, Mason, Simmons, Gadz for picks and fillers or other players who fit better like Haslem, Brand, etc. We just have to land a top 2 selection or else we are screwed probably for years to come.

Maybe Herb should just wait for the lottery to make his GM decision since he would probably have a bigger pool to pick from if somehow we lucked out.
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Post#26 » by raferfenix » Sat Apr 5, 2008 12:05 am

Neapolitan Buck wrote:I agree with you raferfenix, and I wanted to open a thread like this. I believe this draft is not so strong and we need more veteran leadership that would help the locker room and our identity on the court. We have a lot of young players, we need to mix youngsters and veterans. I believe also that a package of Mo + CV + 7th or something like that we can bring here a star to start a new cicle by now, without waiting for a phantomatic future. Start the future by now.


We definitely need more veteran leadership regardless of what we do with our pick. however, I'm starting to think that there won't be a player available that would be a great fit, so we might as well leverage it into a player who could give us a big push in fixing our lockerroom.

Some call this a win-now strategy, which it hopefully would be. However, it is also a long term strategy, as nothing changes in milwaukee until we start getting top notch effort from our team. For all of Marion's faults there are few players in the league who play with his sort of contagious energy.
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Post#27 » by bigkurty » Sat Apr 5, 2008 12:13 am

Or else you could even go full blown rebuild pretty easily if we landed 1 or 2 and Miami slipped to 3 or 4.

Draft Rose or Beasley
Trade Mo, CV, Simmons, 2009 1st for Miami's pick, Blount, Banks, Haslem

Then trade Redd for hughes and chicagos pick

that gives you picks 1 or 2, 3 or 4, and pick 10
you could then reasonably end up with
Rose/Beasley
Mayo
Love/Collison/Randolph/etc.
and Haslem

OMG thats the kind of off season I pray for no matter how unlikely it is. at least one of the picks would be a bust I am sure but man that would be exciting, give us hope for the future, and change the culture of the team at least.

I mean just Imagine it with me if you will

Rose/sessions/banks
Mayo/hughes/bell
Mason/randolph
Haslem/Yi
Bogut/Gadz/Blount

I would consider buying season tickets after an off season like that.
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Post#28 » by BankIt » Sat Apr 5, 2008 1:34 am

The Bucks need a another 20 point scorer at the three.
Yi , Simmons and the first pick for McGrady.
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Post#29 » by InsideOut » Sat Apr 5, 2008 1:35 am

raferfenix wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



We definitely need more veteran leadership regardless of what we do with our pick. however, I'm starting to think that there won't be a player available that would be a great fit, so we might as well leverage it into a player who could give us a big push in fixing our lockerroom.

Some call this a win-now strategy, which it hopefully would be. However, it is also a long term strategy, as nothing changes in milwaukee until we start getting top notch effort from our team. For all of Marion's faults there are few players in the league who play with his sort of contagious energy.


I agree with bolded part and this is why I originally asked you who you would trade for. I feel the Bucks window doesn't open for another 3 season. I just don't see us getting by Boston or Detroit before then. At that point Marion will be 33 and heading down hill. I'd rather have a guy that is entering his 4th season and is getting ready to bust out like Bogut or Redd was. I know people want to win now and trade for a locker room guy. I just feel that guy will be in decline when we need him and will also be making a ton of money at that point. We aren't winning anything soon anyway so I'd rather see us take the long view and build a team that peaks sometime around the 2011 season. I think that by trying to win now we end up worse when Bogut and Yi are at their peak. Of course this all assumes we get a high pick this year and draft the right guy

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