Would Mo accept a 6th man role in Milwaukee?

[midranger]

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I wouldn't be so sure... If sessions is starting with Mo Williams behind him a quality two guard and an upgrade at small forward this team could do some things.

Don't underestimate how much better the bucks can be with a pg that actually defends.

I understand what you're saying. But we aren't just barely missing the playoffs. We are nowhere near them. Upgrades at other positions would have to be pretty massive just to get us to an 8 seed and the right to be trounced by Boston.

My whole concern is living in NBA purgatory. Never bad enough to get the 1st pick (other than by luck), never good enopugh to compete. We've ended up tanking 3 of the past 4 years, perhaps a different approach (trading Redd, which you seem to wisely advocate) is warranted.

I'd be fine with the losing if the team played hard and there were a plan in place. Right now, we're just spinning the wheels.

[showtimesam]

Very true, hopefully this offseason gives us fans hope that things are moving in the right direction.

[Nebula1]

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I understand what you're saying. But we aren't just barely missing the playoffs. We are nowhere near them. Upgrades at other positions would have to be pretty massive just to get us to an 8 seed and the right to be trounced by Boston.

My whole concern is living in NBA purgatory. Never bad enough to get the 1st pick (other than by luck), never good enopugh to compete. We've ended up tanking 3 of the past 4 years, perhaps a different approach (trading Redd, which you seem to wisely advocate) is warranted.

I'd be fine with the losing if the team played hard and there were a plan in place. Right now, we're just spinning the wheels.

Mid, I think you're off on this point. Sessions had played significant minutes in 3 games, which the Bucks are 2-1 in. The team rallies around him and competes.

I don't think we need the massive overhaul you advocate. Simply a change at PG (which we have) and an improvement at small forward. This is assuming either Villanueva or Yi pans out.

[midranger]

Very true, hopefully this offseason gives us fans hope that things are moving in the right direction.

I'd settle for "a" direction. Even if it didn't end up being "right," it'd be an improvement.

[xTitan]

I am not saying Sessions is the long term answer but when someone makes claims about how Sessions will play next year or how many wins this team will have, you obviously are not taking into account the improvement Sessions will make in the offseason. What I love about Ramon's game is that he has the instincts, defense, and physical stature of a very good NBA PG, the shot needs to improve and IMO, that is something easily fixable with hard work.

[midranger]

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Mid, I think you're off on this point. Sessions had played significant minutes in 3 games, which the Bucks are 2-1 in. The team rallies around him and competes.

I don't think we need the massive overhaul you advocate. Simply a change at PG (which we have) and an improvement at small forward. This is assuming either Villanueva or Yi pans out.

I appreciate that we're 2-1.

However, win 1 was an OT win against a terrible and obviously tanking NYK team at home in which they held out Zach Randolph for no good reason despite the fact that he was dominating the game early. Even after all that, had Q-Rich made his FTs we lose.

Win 2 was a buzzer beater against a mediocre Wizards team on the road. It was Arenas's first night back and it's unclear if that helped or hurt them. All and all it was a fine win though.

Loss 1 was against a fairly awful Pacers team at home.


None of those teams really have anything consistent with a starting NBA caliber PG. And that "run" of games should hardly be classified as a categorical success.

[showtimesam]

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Mid, I think you're off on this point. Sessions had played significant minutes in 3 games, which the Bucks are 2-1 in. The team rallies around him and competes.

I don't think we need the massive overhaul you advocate. Simply a change at PG (which we have) and an improvement at small forward. This is assuming either Villanueva or Yi pans out.

I share alot of that sentiment. My main preference would be to go with sessions/bell and someone else at pg, keep redd if no good deal is out there, deal mo for haslem, and use CV and the 7th pick to get a small forward.

[Epicurus]

I am not saying Sessions is the long term answer but when someone makes claims about how Sessions will play next year or how many wins this team will have, you obviously are not taking into account the improvement Sessions will make in the offseason. What I love about Ramon's game is that he has the instincts, defense, and physical stature of a very good NBA PG, the shot needs to improve and IMO, that is something easily fixable with hard work.

I remember like yesterday hearing Red Auerbach saying the same thing about TomThatcher when he traded for him. Just needs to improve his shooting. Well, Thatcher worked very hard on his shooting, but simply couldn't shoot well. So the guy who was an AllAmerican and two time NCAA champion at Cincinnati, considered by many to be the next Big O, except for that pesky shooting thing, having a short spell in the NBA, mostly off of the bench.

Quinn Buckner also was one who everyone thought would be great, if he could just shoot better. I doubt if anyone was a harder offseason worker than Buckner, but no matter how much hard work, he just was never a decent shooter and thus was less than hoped.

I am sure that others can add scores of such player-if they work hard to improve their shooting, they will be good shooters and fine players. Happens rarely.

[xTitan]

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I remember like yesterday hearing Red Auerbach saying the same thing about TomThatcher when he traded for him. Just needs to improve his shooting. Well, Thatcher worked very hard on his shooting, but simply couldn't shoot well. So the guy who was an AllAmerican and two time NCAA champion at Cincinnati, considered by many to be the next Big O, except for that pesky shooting thing, having a short spell in the NBA, mostly off of the bench.

Quinn Buckner also was one who everyone thought would be great, if he could just shoot better. I doubt if anyone was a harder offseason worker than Buckner, but no matter how much hard work, he just was never a decent shooter and thus was less than hoped.

I am sure that others can add scores of such player-if they work hard to improve their shooting, they will be good shooters and fine players. Happens rarely.

You may be correct but being from Wisconsin the player that automatically comes to mind is Terry Porter...I will also say this about Buckner, he never became a good shooter but his outside shooting did improve with the Bucks, Paul Pressey would be another. I am not saying Sessions would turn into Chris Paul, but I do not see him getting to the point where he could put up 15 points per game unrealistic.

[LUKE23]

Redd is another one. When he came into the league he was known more as a slasher/midrange guy. He only shot 31.9% from 3 in college, at 19'9". If he had his shooting stroke he had now in college, he would have went a lot higher in the draft.

I believe Karl pulled him aside in his first two years and said, "if you really want to make an impact, you need to really starting working on your shooting".

[drew881]

I believe Karl pulled him aside in his first two years and said, "if you really want to make an impact, you need to really starting working on your shooting".

And the Bucks went downhill from that point on

[fam3381]

Mo Williams has also made a lot of progress as a shooter since coming into the league.

Sessions is young enough (22 next week) that progress in shooting terms is certainly possible, but you also can't assume he'll become a fantastic shooter. Still, he shot 83% from the line as a junior and 79% in the D-League this year, where he got to the line a ton. So it's not like we're talking about a guy without any touch. If he can get to the point where he can make open threes at a decent rate, I'd be pleased but also not surprised.

The D-League generally plays at a pretty fast pace, but Sessions averaged 9 fta/game, with only one other guy getting more than 8 fta/g. That's rather excellent, and contrasts Mo who is a terrific mid-range shooter but draws relatively few fouls.