Woeffel - Mystery GM candidate coming in next week

[pilprin]

Could the Mystery guy be.....Mark Warkentien? Or Billy King?

[Smooth32]

Sorry to interject...

But as a Cavs fan, I'd love to have Williams... I know Danny Ferry looked into signing him and had interest in doing so, but you guys re-signed him to that big deal.. With the Cavs wanting another scorer, another young player and maybe a point guard (Delonte has done well) we could definitely use him... I don't think he'll be untradable and I know I'd definitely offer some expirings and players for him... For that matter, him or Redd...

[Bucks_Revenge]

Sorry to interject...

But as a Cavs fan, I'd love to have Williams... I know Danny Ferry looked into signing him and had interest in doing so, but you guys re-signed him to that big deal.. With the Cavs wanting another scorer, another young player and maybe a point guard (Delonte has done well) we could definitely use him... I don't think he'll be untradable and I know I'd definitely offer some expirings and players for him... For that matter, him or Redd...

we already know you guys would love him...lets do a smith, jones, and 1st round pick for mo already.

[paulpressey25]

I don't think he'll be untradable and I know I'd definitely offer some expirings and players for him... For that matter, him or Redd...

I think probably 90% of this board would trade you either Mo or Redd. The challenge is that we want some piece back that we can use in rebuilding and the Cav's just don't seem to have that.

If you guys (Cav's) could construct a three way deal where we get David Lee or Haslem or Richard Jefferson or the like coming this way, we'd be all over it.

[paulpressey25]

-= we already know you guys would love him...lets do a smith, jones, and 1st round pick for mo already.

See I see Joe Smith as completely washed up....I have no interest in him. Damon Jones is bad and the first is ok but not going to be great.

Change the deal to Mo Williams for Gibson, the Cav's 1st and Jones (or snow) and I'd consider that one. Then I'd use the first on Joey Dorsey.

Gibson is redundant to the Cav's with Mo, because Mo is a better all around player and can probably hit the open outside shot just as well now this year.

[Bucks_Revenge]

why do we trade mo for 2 more pgs makes no sense at all.....we dont need more guards we need front court help. ..


I am confident that Sessions is our PG next season.

[paulpressey25]

why do we trade mo for 2 more pgs makes no sense at all.....we dont need more guards we need front court help. ...

Damon Jones or Snow are simply salary filler.

Gibson fulfills the role every team needs (see Travis Diener tonight) for a three-point specialist. We use the pick on Dorsey for some front court muscle.

[Bucks_Revenge]

then why not Gibson and Smith and a 1st then...Smith is a salary filler also.

[europa]

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I think probably 90% of this board would trade you either Mo or Redd. The challenge is that we want some piece back that we can use in rebuilding and the Cav's just don't seem to have that.

If you guys (Cav's) could construct a three way deal where we get David Lee or Haslem or Richard Jefferson or the like coming this way, we'd be all over it.

Agreed.

[Bucks_Revenge]

reading all of this we are going to need a very smart and determine GM to make deals like these to happen.

[Debit One]

Woeffel on the postgame show....

Said he talked with some people around the league.....Mo Williams may now be untradeable given his drop off in play and big contract.....

This was so utterly predictable that it is sad.

The mistake that the Bucks have made twice in recent years is to sign their own FAs to starter wages, when those players are in fact not NBA starter caliber.

The Gadz signing was of course the most egregious, as we had just landed the #1 pick, knew that we were going to draft Bogut, and still signed Gadz to a 6 yr, $36M deal. The Mo signing was more of the same. Mo is an instant offense, off the bench scorer. He simply does not have the mindset, either on the defensive end or as a distributing PG, to be a quality starting PG in the NBA. However, the Bucks did not let that dissuade them from throwing starter money at Mo.

These same points were made last summer, but the "pro-Mo" contingent replied with "we can always trade him if it doesn't work out". Yeah, right. As PP pointed out earlier in the thread The Bucks can of course trade him, but may well in return have to take on someone else's contract baggage.

There has to be a time when the Bucks learn that in a salary cap league dollars are in limited supply, and what you spend on Player A will make it harder for you to get Player B onto the roster. In the case of the Bucks, there is long-term money tied up in Mo, Max, Gadz and Simmons, each of whom is being paid very well, but none of whom are producing anywhere near enough to justify their salary. In other words, those investments were bad and those dollars are not available to invest in other players.

IMO, Larry Harris' greatest fault as a G.M. was his fear of having players signed by other teams. It led to the Bucks overpaying Gadz, Mo and Redd, and led to the predicament in which the team finds itself.

[showtimesam]

I would do Redd for Wally World and Varejao.

With Wally's expiring deal, Kohl can feel good about re-upping Bogut.

Plus Varejao can backup Bogut and Yi, and provide a big guy to help take some of the pressure off bogut.

And lets face it, Redd sucks now with this team, he thinks he's kobe, but he's far from it. Wally can catch and shoot, and probably provide an efficient 15 ppg which is better than Redd's chuckfest 23 ppg.

[carmelbrownqueen]

Hoopshype has a little blurb about the Milwaukee Bucks possibly having interest in Seattle's Scott Perry.. perhaps that's who Woelfel is referring too. I haven't read back on here to if he has been mentioned yet but thought I would post it anyway.

[europa]

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This was so utterly predictable that it is sad.

The mistake that the Bucks have made twice in recent years is to sign their own FAs to starter wages, when those players are in fact not NBA starter caliber.

The Gadz signing was of course the most egregious, as we had just landed the #1 pick, knew that we were going to draft Bogut, and still signed Gadz to a 6 yr, $36M deal. The Mo signing was more of the same. Mo is an instant offense, off the bench scorer. He simply does not have the mindset, either on the defensive end or as a distributing PG, to be a quality starting PG in the NBA. However, the Bucks did not let that dissuade them from throwing starter money at Mo.

These same points were made last summer, but the "pro-Mo" contingent replied with "we can always trade him if it doesn't work out". Yeah, right. As PP pointed out earlier in the thread The Bucks can of course trade him, but may well in return have to take on someone else's contract baggage.

Yup. These were all concerns I talked about during last season. The pro-Mo crowd would hear none of it and sadly neither did Kohl or Harris (assuming he was on board with paying Mo as much as he got and having the Bucks outbid themselves to keep him). This is why the team should have just renounced him or, better yet, traded him last season at the deadline when his expring deal plus the other expirings the Bucks had would have likely had higher value.

[old skool]

I don't think that it is fair to condemn Redd because the Bucks have been poor for two straight seasons, anymore than it was fair for the Minnesota fans to condemn Garnett because he led the T-Wolves to back-to-back 50 loss seasons.

Redd produces on the court. He is not a savior, but neither is he a bust. He has value in the NBA and would start for most teams. He has been the Bucks best player for years. Bogut has improved considerably, but no one in the NBA has Bogut rated higher than Redd. Not that I have heard.

I think the Bucks did the right thing when they outbid Cleveland for Redd during his free agent summer. Certainly the Bucks signing of Redd was better than the Cavs signing of Larry Hughes that summer.

Redd has been a good deal for the Bucks, both on the court and at the box office. He has not been the solution to all Bucks problems, but it would be a mistake to give him away in frustration.

oLd sKool

[Debit One]

Redd produces on the court. He is not a savior, but neither is he a bust. He has value in the NBA and would start for most teams.

The fact that this is the way that you describe a guy who is by himself going to eat up 25% or more of the Bucks available salary cap dollars over the next three years is indicative of the problem.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

Redd has been a good deal for the Bucks, both on the court and at the box office.

I haven't been to the BC this year... are they just showing funny camera angles that make the place look empty?

[midranger]

Adam, why would you ask that of anybody here? We're only diehard Bucks fans. We obviously haven't been to any of this trash teams' awful games.

[Andrew34r]

Michael Redd does not sell tickets. Pretty much the same amount of people attend games that Redd is injured as they do when he is playing. K.G., Lebron and Kobe sell tickets not Redd...and in Milwaukee people care about winning more than anything so if we were a good team we would probably be selling out almost every night no matter who is on the team.