The If Billy King Gets Hired As Bucks GM I Will... thread
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I'm not sure who the hell DeOgar is but he doesn't represent the majority of Sixer fans with his opinion of Thornton over Young. Try mentioning that on the Sixers Board and it'll be flames away.
As for King... here's the good and the bad.
The good: Drafting. The man has done an excellent job of evaluating prospects and selecting them with later picks. He found Lou Williams, Kyle Korver and Willie Green in the 2nd Rd, he grabbed Dalembert with pick #27 the same year that Kwame went #1 and Eddy Curry went #4. He grabbed Iguodala at #9 and he's turned out to be the 2nd or 3rd best player from that draft and he took Thaddeus Young with the 12th pick who, despite being the 2nd youngest player in the league, is a major contributor to a playoff team.
The Bad: Contracts. He got blitzed by people like Bill Simmons for giving out big deals to players like Dalembert, Korver, and Willie Green. At the time, he looked foolish for it. However, are any of those deals bad deals at this point? The Willie Green deal is probably the worst of the 3 and he's making $3MIL per season and averages 12 PPG. If Willie Green is the worst contract your team has, you're in good shape. Besides those deals, he did piss off the fan base by handing out huge deals to Kenny Thomas, Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, and Mutumbo. He tried correcting these through trades with the most notable one being the one where the Sixers taking on Chris Webber's massive deal. The good news to that trade was that Webber expired before Kenny Thomas does... the bad side is that the Sixers have being paying Webber for a year and a half just to stay away from Philly.
If the Bucks do hire him... it'll be interesting to see what King tries to do with a bad contract like Bobby Simmons. Will he do what he did in Philly which is turn one bad deal into another deal bad deal (Mutumbo became Keith Van Horn, KVH became Glenn Robinson, Glenn Robinson became a waived contract) or has he learned from his mistakes. Either way, good luck.
As for King... here's the good and the bad.
The good: Drafting. The man has done an excellent job of evaluating prospects and selecting them with later picks. He found Lou Williams, Kyle Korver and Willie Green in the 2nd Rd, he grabbed Dalembert with pick #27 the same year that Kwame went #1 and Eddy Curry went #4. He grabbed Iguodala at #9 and he's turned out to be the 2nd or 3rd best player from that draft and he took Thaddeus Young with the 12th pick who, despite being the 2nd youngest player in the league, is a major contributor to a playoff team.
The Bad: Contracts. He got blitzed by people like Bill Simmons for giving out big deals to players like Dalembert, Korver, and Willie Green. At the time, he looked foolish for it. However, are any of those deals bad deals at this point? The Willie Green deal is probably the worst of the 3 and he's making $3MIL per season and averages 12 PPG. If Willie Green is the worst contract your team has, you're in good shape. Besides those deals, he did piss off the fan base by handing out huge deals to Kenny Thomas, Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, and Mutumbo. He tried correcting these through trades with the most notable one being the one where the Sixers taking on Chris Webber's massive deal. The good news to that trade was that Webber expired before Kenny Thomas does... the bad side is that the Sixers have being paying Webber for a year and a half just to stay away from Philly.
If the Bucks do hire him... it'll be interesting to see what King tries to do with a bad contract like Bobby Simmons. Will he do what he did in Philly which is turn one bad deal into another deal bad deal (Mutumbo became Keith Van Horn, KVH became Glenn Robinson, Glenn Robinson became a waived contract) or has he learned from his mistakes. Either way, good luck.
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King is not THAT bad.he gave sammy 10 mil/year.first it was a bad contract but at this point sammy is playing for his money.willie green' contract might be a little longer but he is a 12 ppg SG that earns 3.5 mil/year.is that such a bad contract?he drafted lou williams and thad young and he got a decent deal for iverson(there was not a better proposal at that point).
the webber trade was not a good trade after all, but at least he tried to do something.look at how other gms ruined careers of their franchise players.sure, c-webb was not the player he once was but hey..we gave up kenny thomas, and corlis willaimson for him.
the webber trade was not a good trade after all, but at least he tried to do something.look at how other gms ruined careers of their franchise players.sure, c-webb was not the player he once was but hey..we gave up kenny thomas, and corlis willaimson for him.
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billy king earned his poor reputation by doing the same thing larry harris did: giving out huge deals in order to "keep" undeserving, marginal guys. that kenny thomas deal was one of the most peculiar and unwarranted contracts ever handed out in professional sports.
and billy actually intended to give willy green a MUCH bigger deal, which was on the table, but green blew out his knee and saved billy the embarrassment.
since philly is overperforming this year, king does not look so terrible, but he really has been one of the least effective GMs of his era. it makes no sense to give a guy like him another job so soon.
and billy actually intended to give willy green a MUCH bigger deal, which was on the table, but green blew out his knee and saved billy the embarrassment.
since philly is overperforming this year, king does not look so terrible, but he really has been one of the least effective GMs of his era. it makes no sense to give a guy like him another job so soon.
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Pistol Pete Vescey wrote:billy king earned his poor reputation by doing the same thing larry harris did: giving out huge deals in order to "keep" undeserving, marginal guys. that kenny thomas deal was one of the most peculiar and unwarranted contracts ever handed out in professional sports.
Yup. The comparison between King and Harris is spot on. Harris failed in many of the same ways King did. The Bucks need to steer clear of heading down that path again.
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Yup, in watching Larry Harris tenure I've learned how valuable it is to be very stingy when handing out long term contracts to any player besides the 1 or 2 guys that you can call the face of the franchise.
However, in our case the face of the franchise probably shouldn't have been kept around either. So larry kind of got the worst of both ends.
Plus he put alot of his future around Bogut, but never made the proper moves to help develop his talent and get players that mesh well with him.
However, in our case the face of the franchise probably shouldn't have been kept around either. So larry kind of got the worst of both ends.
Plus he put alot of his future around Bogut, but never made the proper moves to help develop his talent and get players that mesh well with him.