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Post#21 » by showtimesam » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:13 pm

I would be happy with this rebuild, although I'm concerned about the Love/Bogut combo.
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Post#22 » by msiris » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:15 pm

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That's ridiculous. UCLA completely abandoned Love in the post. He consistently had position and looked like he wanted the ball. They just wouldn't dump it down to him. UCLA's guards got duped into playing Memphis' game, plain and simple.

Edit: I just became a major hypocrite and said something that is one of my major pet peeves. I DESPISE it when people play the "did you even watch the game?" card. Sorry.
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Post#23 » by EastSideBucksFan » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:55 pm

I would not pay to see that team and I would probably stop watching the Bucks.

Herb Kohl knows that many fans feel as I do thats why a major rebuild will never happen



I also believe that Kevin Love will be a bust and I can't convince myself that he will ever be a starter in the NBA
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Post#24 » by Licensed to Il » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:09 pm

I don't share the Kevin Love - love.

He is nothing more than a role player at this point, a power forward version of Luke Walton (a heady guy who can help a second unit flourish with unselfish passing, hustle, and effort). I am intrigued by his shooting range, he could at the very least draw an opposing big out from the basket because KL can really shoot it. But he can't create offense for himself on the blocks, at least not against NBA 4's. And asking him to guard a Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudimire, even Drew Gooden type would be a nightmare. Opponents would isolate on that matchup, and expose it time and time again.

If Kevin Love is ever going to be an impact pro... he is going to need to get way stronger, and way quicker... as well as play alongside great perimiter defenders and a great help side shot blocker.

Great college player, and has some very good NBA skills. But all in all, there is no way KL is an all star or a matchup nightmare on the NBA level. I mean, I know he was really tired in the second half of the Memphis game... but he resorted to launching deep jumpers on the perimiter, and I don't think you want a power forward that you drafted 5th or 6th overall to go to that in the crunch.
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Post#25 » by Wade-A-Holic » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:45 am

EastSideBucksFan wrote:I would not pay to see that team and I would probably stop watching the Bucks.

Herb Kohl knows that many fans feel as I do thats why a major rebuild will never happen



I also believe that Kevin Love will be a bust and I can't convince myself that he will ever be a starter in the NBA


Obviously we disagree about Love, but I tend to agree that the Bucks can't afford to go my route simply because fan interest is low enough as it is right now. A complete dismantling, however prosperous it may prove to be in the long run, will hurt so much for the next 2-4 years that it's probably not even an option.
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Post#26 » by bigkurty » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:40 am

Wade-A-Holic wrote:but I tend to agree that the Bucks can't afford to go my route simply because fan interest is low enough as it is right now.

Thats kind of where I am at too. Its like I know we might need to suffer in the short term to have a chance to be good in the long term but man I feel like I have suffered long enough watching this team.

Here is what I want to happen (dream scenario):
Win lottery and draft rose
Trade Mo and CV and possibly even next years 1st top 5 protected to Miami for their pick and fillers after they hopefully drop to 3 or 4
Draft Mayo at 3 or 4
Trade Redd and Dez for Hughes, Noc, and their #9 pick
Draft Love at 9

and end up with:
Rose / Sessions
Mayo / Hughes / Bell
Noc / Simmons
Yi / Love
Bogut / Gadz

Now that team would probably lose a lot at first but has enormous potential. Every deal there seems pretty fair to me and seems like deals that would be win/win for everyone. Now we just need to win the lottery.

Here is what will really happen:
Trade Mo for PF
Draft best SF (Randolph or Gallinari) available at 7, 8, or 9
Trade CV for Lowry or someone like that(I wonder how they will sell this since now we will be trading the big for the small)

end up with
Lowry / Sessions
Redd / Bell
Desmond / Draft Pick / Simmons
Yi / Haslem maybe
Bogut / Gadz

They will really try to move Simmons with either Mo or CV as well but he will be used just as a filler and the other team will move one of their crap pieces where each team just hopes a change of scenario helps the crap they swap if that makes any sense.


Oh yeah if we could hire some combination of Hammond, Simmons, GAD, Carlisle, or JVG, that would be good too.

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