An Early Pre-Draft Plan Of Attack

[xTitan]

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I'm pretty sure we can get garbage for all three.

...well played.

[El Duderino]

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And xTitan, the comments made during Saturday night's game about the need for improved chemistry struck me as a pretty striking comment about who needs to go. Mo was at the heart of the internal problems this team had this season and I don't see how he can remain given all of the stuff he pulled this season. Redd frustrated all of us on the court but at least he didn't turn into a gigantic pr**k in the locker room too.

Mo needs to go, but just because Redd may not open up his yap and cause locker room issues, watch the look on the faces of the players on the Bucks when max Redd comes out and he snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

How many times in the paper did we get comments from players and coaches about ball movement stopping and one guy trying to carry the team after Redd would pull one of his countless failed max acts. The players and coaches never used his name, but it was totally obvious they when they were talking about Redd.

Redd would be shooting us out of yet anther game and the body language from the rest of the team would sag with that here we go again look. That's part of the chemistry make over this team needs and a big reason among others i want both Mo AND Redd shown the door ASAP.

[LUKE23]

But back to the original intent of this thread, here are my thoughts:

1. Draft pick. Either combine it in a package with Redd or Mo/CV to try and get a player that is better than Redd OR use the pick on the absolute best talent available, regardless of position. DO NOT trade down, this team needs to add to the talent base first before it can worry about depth.

2. Trades. Mo/CV/Redd are the pieces I'd look to move. In return I'd be looking for draft picks or young talent that wants to play defense, or in a move to bring in an established player better than Redd. No stop gap veterans please, or players that are going to block the young guys we're trying to see what we have with. I want a definitive direction.

Basically, if we are going to move people, I want it to be for either upper tier talent that can allow us to contend, or for us to go completely young with an athletic, talented core. I do not want to see us band-aid things with a team that can be .500 with no legit ceiling, especially considering in that scenario you are still capped out anyway and you will be drafting mid teens, so you have no way to land that upper tier talent you need to contend.

[paulpressey25]

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What of these traits are magically change in a 9th year vet just by hiring a new coach?

Between the coach and some new players it is possible a guy could play better ala Paul Pierce or Ray this season. We also seen guys like Rasheed Wallace or VC not give a rip depending on what situation they are in.

I mean as bad as Redd has been, who is the dope who let him go one on five at the end of every fourth quarter? There were a number of games where Redd played well and then Max showed up with five minutes to go and wasn't stopped. I could never figure out why Larry K. didn't put a stop to that.

[Chuck Diesel]

I'd ship Villanueva and Gadzuric to DC for Darius Songalia and Antonio Daniels

[DH34Phan]

I think we all need to come to the consensus that this teams attitude will not change as long as Michael Redd is its best player.

If we are trying to rebuild, and Michael Redd is still on the roster, I fear we still will be a selfish, no defense playing team.

If we get a player better than Redd for our other guys to look up to, things could change.

[beyond_the_arc]

Europa, one day you will learn that Haslem will be your version of Larry Harris' Gadzuric love fest. Completely unwarranted for a player who would not protect a damn thing for this team.

[Sigra]

I would much prefer to trade up to get Rose than to trade down. I just don't think that's realistic. I can't think of a team that would get Rose and would trade him for what the Bucks would likely be willing to offer.

I think Miami would trade Rose for Bogut. Coach Riley always had good Cs. Jabbar, Ewing, Mourning, Shaq. Riley is searching for C right now. Riley also said that he doesn't have time to develop rookie and would like to trade pick for veteran help. Bogut for Rose is trade made in heaven

[NotYoAvgNBAFan]

Europa....stop stop stop ....


No no no no no! You dont even begin to contemplate this. This team should turn over 7-8 players off this roster!

You dont bring back Charlie Bell or any of them! Don't waste our breathe. I dont want to see any of these names you have here at all!

I want a COMPLETE OVERHAUL! None of them can win or have any Pride!
NONE OF THEM!

You can't turn sewage into wine! YOU JUST DONT HAVE THE PLAYERS HERE AT ALL! It is that simple!

Everyone of them were here last year in the tank year and then came back and THIS YEAR IS WORSE THEN LAST YEAR which was perhaps the worse in Bucks history!!!!

Why would you bring any of them back after the year they had? Everyone got paid and everyone came back, and IT STILL DID NOT WORK!

IN fact it got Worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are a bunch of quitters! From the coach on down! Everyone should prove they want to win or get the hell out!

[NotYoAvgNBAFan]

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I am sorry but how would your line-up get to 40+ wins?? Lowry is a decent prospect and Sessions is very raw, I still see the PG spot as a weakness. On your team Redd would still seem to think he is the alpha dog, which means lots of shooting, terrible defense, and the old..."AND ONE"!! You are also going start a SF who is a mid round rookie and who was far from being a dominant college player, to go along with a solid but unspectacular role player at the 4......I still see very weak perimeter defense and Bogut better average about 25 PPG.

EUROPA IS DRUNK!

YOU IMPROVCE THIS TEAM THROUGH TRADES ADN FREE AGENCY LIKE HAMMOND SAID.

You target one player (Bogut) and get rid of every one else!!!!

[europa]

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Mo needs to go, but just because Redd may not open up his yap and cause locker room issues, watch the look on the faces of the players on the Bucks when max Redd comes out and he snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

How many times in the paper did we get comments from players and coaches about ball movement stopping and one guy trying to carry the team after Redd would pull one of his countless failed max acts. The players and coaches never used his name, but it was totally obvious they when they were talking about Redd.

Redd would be shooting us out of yet anther game and the body language from the rest of the team would sag with that here we go again look. That's part of the chemistry make over this team needs and a big reason among others i want both Mo AND Redd shown the door ASAP.

No argument with any of this. However, this is where I believe the head coach needs to take action. As Press said, there were a bunch of games where Redd played well for three quarters and then lost it in the fourth. As the head coach if you see a player - any player - going away from what needs to be done within the team concept then you need to take action. It's my hope that with a strong, proven head coach in charge he would take action. And my plan has a young player with ability and potential waiting in the wings. So it's not like you sit Redd and have to play Royal Ivey. You'd have Rush or Douglas-Roberts and this would enable them to gain valuable experience. That's why I called it a win-win for the Bucks.

Based on what I've been told a number of the players were not only frustrated with Mo and Redd when they went into their selfish modes, but they were equally frustrated (and often times more so) with Krystkowiak because he sat back and did nothing. That's how you lose a team as a head coach - you fail to make players accountable.

Ultimately I think Redd will have to go. I'm just not sure if realistically we should expect him to be traded this summer barring a great offer. I'm working off the premise that isn't going to happen unless Hammond is blown away by a great offer. So again, I'm not keeping Redd out of some blind love for the guy and ignoring all of the issues that pissed everyone off (myself included); I'm simply trying to create a realistic plan that would enable the Bucks to improve and build for the future. I think this plan does all that.

[europa]

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EUROPA IS DRUNK!

Now that was funny.

[paulpressey25]

Europa, one day you will learn that Haslem will be your version of Larry Harris' Gadzuric love fest. Completely unwarranted for a player who would not protect a damn thing for this team.

I don't think the guy (Haslem) is great, but he does two things:

a) Provides a very solid but non-threatening compliment to Yi (who isn't ever being traded)

b) Haslem is owed about $13mm the next two seasons versus Mo's $44mm. We'd save $30 million in future salary liabilities with this trade, which would be about 50% or more of Andrew Bogut's new contract. That is meaningful.

[ssssssnake]

I love the optimism that we're going to trade off all of our losers for winners, but I'm not so sure it has a snowballs chance in hell of happening.

[showtimesam]

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I don't think the guy (Haslem) is great, but he does two things:

a) Provides a very solid but non-threatening compliment to Yi (who isn't ever being traded)

b) Haslem is owed about $13mm the next two seasons versus Mo's $44mm. We'd save $30 million in future salary liabilities with this trade, which would be about 50% or more of Andrew Bogut's new contract. That is meaningful.

Mo for Haslem equals a very smart and sensible trade for the bucks.

[europa]

I love the optimism that we're going to trade off all of our losers for winners, but I'm not so sure it has a snowballs chance in hell of happening.

My plan isn't a major overhaul in terms of the personnel from last season. Mo, Villanueva, Bell and Dez are the only ones gone. Based on what Hammond is reported to have said on Sparky's show today, I believe this plan becomes even more realistic. Hammond talked about how you can have one bad defender but not three in the lineup (I've removed Mo and Villanueva, keeping Redd); he talked about two styles of effective PG play neither one being a shoot-first PG (another inference that Mo could be gone) and he talked about how you can't blow everything to smithereens (possibly alluding to at least one of those three remaining).

Combine all that with his comments about Redd being part of the foundation "right now" and I think there's a very strong possibility we see Hammond look to deal Mo and Villanueva and keep Redd for at least one more season. That was the basis of the plan I came up with and it looks even more viable in my opinion based on Hammond's comments today.

The one question is whether he stands pat with the draft pick or looks to move down if the Bucks can't land a big-time talent.