ImageImage

Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL)

Moderators: MickeyDavis, paulpressey25

How Good of an NBA career will Thon Maker have?

Superstar
10
3%
All-Star
28
8%
Above Average Starter
102
31%
Average Starter
64
19%
Spot Starter
31
9%
Bench contributor
44
13%
Bench Rider/Spot minutes
22
7%
Towel Waver/Hype-Man/Human Cigar
14
4%
Out of The League After Rookie Deal
16
5%
 
Total votes: 331

skones
RealGM
Posts: 23,777
And1: 3,488
Joined: Jul 20, 2004
Location: Milwaukee
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1021 » by skones » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:28 pm

yannisk wrote:
skones wrote:For example, would you consider Georgios Papagiannis an "asset" or would you consider him a "throw in?"


throw away probably


Precisely. That's the camp Thon is in.
User avatar
bigkurty
General Manager
Posts: 8,187
And1: 1,439
Joined: Apr 23, 2005
Location: Gilbert, AZ
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1022 » by bigkurty » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:38 pm

We need to convince everyone he is 20 and trade him asap IMO. 7 footers who can shoot and go step for step with Lowry are pretty rare. Surely some team will be able to sell themselves on that value so early in his career. In the end though, I think he will end up like the Anthony Bennett's, Kwame Brown's, and Thabeet's of the world.
User avatar
AussieBuck
RealGM
Posts: 33,821
And1: 9,083
Joined: May 10, 2006
Location: saveourbucks.com
 

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1023 » by AussieBuck » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:49 pm

Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.
emunney wrote:Wouldn't make a difference if DJ Wilson was working with **** Yoda
User avatar
yannisk
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,838
And1: 924
Joined: Jul 14, 2013

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1024 » by yannisk » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:54 pm

Maker’s not afraid to toot his own horn. “I’m going to be an All-Star,” Maker told BR. “I’m going to be a champion. Not just one, multiple times. I’m going to be an MVP. I’m going to be Defensive Player of the Year. Not just once, multiple times. And the rings part is the biggest one for me. And the Hall of Fame part.”

damn, didn't know he said these things
User avatar
bigkurty
General Manager
Posts: 8,187
And1: 1,439
Joined: Apr 23, 2005
Location: Gilbert, AZ
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1025 » by bigkurty » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:01 pm

Some fun Thon stats for reference:
Thon has scored in double figures 5 times in 86 career games (including playoffs)
Thon has had 7 or more rebounds 3 times in his career and his career high is 8
Thon has had 3 or more assists twice in 86 games
Thon has had 2 or more steals 4 times
Thon has had 2 or more blocks 6 times
Thon was a -30 for his entire rookie year (-2.56 Net rating)
Thon is currently a -95 during his sophomore campaign (-10.6 Net Rating)
User avatar
drew881
General Manager
Posts: 8,915
And1: 1,950
Joined: Aug 14, 2007

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1026 » by drew881 » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:11 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.


Maybe Kidd is behind this not allowed to jump thing.
User avatar
PANDEMONEUM
Veteran
Posts: 2,677
And1: 253
Joined: Aug 10, 2009
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1027 » by PANDEMONEUM » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:14 pm

this poll was created Sep 17, 2017.
how many people are ready to DOWNgrade their vote?

i see, 10 superstar, 28 allstar, 99 above average starter votes

i never wanted Thon, and never thought hed be any better than Ersan.
would have went Sabonis at #10.
then Prince.
after them, it would have been a difficult decision, LeVert, Luwawu, Skal, Dejounte, Deyonta.
*

2016 Draft
some stats of guys that have improved in their 2nd year.
if nothing is posted, theyr not getting any time to compare
Baldwin was cut, and signed a 2way with a different team
Zubac has been bumped and lost lots of minutes

10 MKE Thon Maker 4/2 10mins 57games to 4/3 18mins 23games
11 ORL Domantas Sabonis 6p/4r 20mins to 12/8 25mins
12 UTA Taurean Prince 6/5 16mins to 12/5 30mins
13 PHO Georgios Papagiannis

15 DEN Juan Hernangomez

17 MEM Wade Baldwin
October 16, 2017: Waived by the Memphis Grizzlies. October 20, 2017: Signed a two-way contract with the Portland Trail Blazers

19 DEN Malik Beasley
20 IND Caris LeVert 8/3/2 22mins to 11/4/3 26mins
21 ATL DeAndre Bembry
22 CHO Malachi Richardson
23 BOS Ante Zizic
24 PHI Timothe Luwawu 7/2/1 16mins



28 PHO Skal Labissiere 8/4 17mins
29 SAS Dejounte Murray 3/1/1 8mins to 7/4/2 19mins

Round 2
31 BOS Deyonta Davis
32 LAL Ivica Zubac - 38games at 16mins, 7/4....6games 2mins, has lost major time
User avatar
M-C-G
RealGM
Posts: 17,415
And1: 6,271
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1028 » by M-C-G » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:18 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.


Yeah, I mean is it possible this 7000 calorie diet and lifting regiment are part of the problem? He definitely appears to have regressed as an athlete this year. Injury and finding out after the season that he was hurt all year wouldn't surprise me either though.
User avatar
PANDEMONEUM
Veteran
Posts: 2,677
And1: 253
Joined: Aug 10, 2009
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1029 » by PANDEMONEUM » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:43 pm

if wer going to stick with Thon, and hope he develops into something,
then i want to see him be involved in plays, NOT from the C position.
give him some time next to Henson/Belomboy.
or maybe try a few Henson/Thon/Giannis mins.
that way he can get more offensive opportunities to drive and create,
instead of having to defend and check centers all game.
*
i HATE that when he defends on the perimeter,
that he is super close to his man.
whoever it is, sides steps and just takes 2 dribbles and has burned Thon.
he (and the coaches) need to make an adjustment to his perimeter defense.
dont allow the drive,
and make the player shoot over him and his 7ft+long arms.
this would be way better than over challenging on the 3pt shot and getting burned by
User avatar
Wonka
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,006
And1: 1,891
Joined: Aug 19, 2012
 

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1030 » by Wonka » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:46 pm

Why does Kidd even play him when he takes away his biggest asset on the offensive end? His 3 point shooting. I'll never understand his ideals with the 3 point line, both on offense and defense.

Obviously we all see the struggles, but the regression from rookie to sophomore is almost unbelievable. I always had my questions about his offense, but defensively he is turning into a real problem, and not in a good way.

Thon needs to play less than 10 minutes a game, maybe even just benched or G-League'd.
User avatar
AussieBuck
RealGM
Posts: 33,821
And1: 9,083
Joined: May 10, 2006
Location: saveourbucks.com
 

Re: RE: Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1031 » by AussieBuck » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:54 pm

M-C-G wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.


Yeah, I mean is it possible this 7000 calorie diet and lifting regiment are part of the problem? He definitely appears to have regressed as an athlete this year. Injury and finding out after the season that he was hurt all year wouldn't surprise me either though.

He did say before the season that they they would use the extra days between games for heavy lifting, especially while at home. Would have to be staggering out the squat rack before every game though. I'm guessing he's carrying some kind of injury.
emunney wrote:Wouldn't make a difference if DJ Wilson was working with **** Yoda
User avatar
Siefer
General Manager
Posts: 8,310
And1: 1,402
Joined: Nov 05, 2006
Location: Madison, WI
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1032 » by Siefer » Thu Dec 7, 2017 10:02 pm

He's terrible right now, and he's bad enough in his minutes to sink whatever unit he's playing with. :(
ReginaldDwight
Starter
Posts: 2,308
And1: 872
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
   

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1033 » by ReginaldDwight » Thu Dec 7, 2017 10:13 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.

Too be fair I think the playoffs in general intimidate those two guys....

I still think the ideal thing is to shut him down the problem is we have no other bigs to even run out there you cant go into games with Henson and Giannis at your only bigs.
User avatar
Pachinko_
Head Coach
Posts: 6,644
And1: 4,827
Joined: Jun 13, 2016
Location: Greece/Australia
 

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1034 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Dec 7, 2017 11:44 pm

Very disappointing... all I wanted was small improvements from last year, instead he has fallen off a cliff.
Doesn't shoot, can't jump, when he does jump his timing is totally off.
User avatar
RogerMurdock
Pro Prospect
Posts: 854
And1: 1,367
Joined: Jun 27, 2013
Location: Dragging Walton & Lanier up and down the court
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1035 » by RogerMurdock » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:09 am

Look, some regression is to be expected when a player hits their 30's.

I'll show myself out.
Beorn
Rookie
Posts: 1,202
And1: 407
Joined: Jun 29, 2012

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1036 » by Beorn » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:13 am

He's so terrible out there I barely have the heart to make age-jokes on him
User avatar
Mags FTW
RealGM
Posts: 28,562
And1: 3,026
Joined: Feb 16, 2006
Location: Flickin' It

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1037 » by Mags FTW » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:39 am

If we were able to get Diamond Stone, could he be any worse? Definitely has more upside considering he’s actually 20.
UW Head Football Coach Gary Andersen wrote:I don't know that.
User avatar
steger_3434
RealGM
Posts: 13,936
And1: 1,953
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
Location: Getting Rowdy in Section 212 with Squad 6
       

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1038 » by steger_3434 » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:42 am

After 20 games I said Vaughn was a terrible player. Thon is infinitely worse. If teams believe he’s 20 years old he’ll last a bit longer. If they don’t he’s back to high school after his rookie contract


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
yiyiyi wrote:give rockets Redd ,houston give you T-MAC in return .please help rockets!
i dont want see that woman anymore !
User avatar
MiltownHawkeye
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,209
And1: 2,894
Joined: Jan 04, 2012
     

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1039 » by MiltownHawkeye » Fri Dec 8, 2017 3:29 am

steger_3434 wrote:After 20 games I said Vaughn was a terrible player. Thon is infinitely worse. If teams believe he’s 20 years old he’ll last a bit longer. If they don’t he’s back to high school after his rookie contract


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

Even Vaughn has shown more to make me think he'll be a competent rotation player than Maker which is pretty depressing.
Ser Maxwell Fifteen Pointspergame
User avatar
HKPackFan
Head Coach
Posts: 7,242
And1: 3,370
Joined: Jan 14, 2014
Location: Hong Kong
   

Re: Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL) 

Post#1040 » by HKPackFan » Fri Dec 8, 2017 8:22 am

sophmore slump? :dontknow:

switching sports, davante adams was absolutely pathetic his 2nd season. unplayable and many thought he should be cut. he's arguably the best wr on the packers this year.


not comparables, but just saying a nagging injury riddled adams made him the worst looking wr in the nfl his sophmore year and now he is looking like a stud. maybe there is still hope.


I think thon is somewhat broken, either mentally or physically or both, or his body transition he is unable to adapt to at the moment.

Send him to the G league and let him get fixed, no need for him to continue to embarrass himself in front of his peers.

Return to Milwaukee Bucks