Wiggins "average" in practices - How good will Wiggins be?

[Treebeard]

Just think on this: you all could be arguing the relative merits of Smedly Noneck from Pitcairn Island Polytech.

Kinda nice thought there.

[jokeboy86]

Observations:

Wiggins: Really, really raw. Must work on handles and develop other move besides spin. Looks like he could be all-nba defensively though easily.

Parker:Offensive beast and seems like a more well rounded player than Melo. Hopefully he shows something defensively. Still wonder will his conditioning be a problem in the NBA

Randle: He's going to dominate college all year but I think he's going to have the same problem Beasley and Derrick Williams had in the pros: Too small to play pf and not quick enough to play sf. The dreaded tweener position.

Gordon: Same problem as Randle only worst cause he's 30 pounds lighter. Not much of an offensive game so far this season.

Smart: Ready to go the moment he steps in the league and would easily be the favorite to be rookie of the year.

[Ill-yasova]

Observations:

Wiggins: Really, really raw. Must work on handles and develop other move besides spin. Looks like he could be all-nba defensively though easily.

Parker:Offensive beast and seems like a more well rounded player than Melo. Hopefully he shows something defensively. Still wonder will his conditioning be a problem in the NBA

Randle: He's going to dominate college all year but I think he's going to have the same problem Beasley and Derrick Williams had in the pros: Too small to play pf and not quick enough to play sf. The dreaded tweener position.

Gordon: Same problem as Randle only worst cause he's 30 pounds lighter. Not much of an offensive game so far this season.

Smart: Ready to go the moment he steps in the league and would easily be the favorite to be rookie of the year.

I don't agree with your comparison of Julius Randle and Michael Beasley. Michael Beasley was all finesse even in college, Julius Randle is like a bull in a china shop. I think he has more of a chance to be a rich man's Paul Milsap.

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[craig]

Wiggins' potential is higher than anyone in this draft, and that's why you take him #1, even if it takes a few years. Bucks rebuild needs to be more than one year anyways. That has burned us at least twice in the last 10 years.

Agree on being patience and going for the best long-term guy, even if it takes him a while to get there. Not sure on the higher-potential part, though. Physically/athletically, perhaps.

But the biggest stars have a burning intensity, drive, and competitiveness. If Wiggins doesn't have the burning drive and intensity to dominate in college or in practice and prove every day that he's the best guy on the court and the best guy in the world, will he develop that intensity later? When he's super rich, and it's the 50th game of an 82-game season? Jordan was incredibly intense and competitive, which helped fire his game over the long haul, and push his teams to play hard. Kobe is also incredibly competitive.

Perhaps wiggins has that too. But I think that's a personality factor that needs to be scouted as well as his vertical. A guy who doesn't have that fire to make himself great and make his team great and to play intense defense all game every game, might not have as much potential as we think.

[msiris]

Wiggins also has the biggest potential to be a big bust. Parker will always be able to score in the NBA. The Bucks can't afford to miss out on this pick. They already have one project in the Greek freak.

[daschysta]

Wiggins' potential is higher than anyone in this draft, and that's why you take him #1, even if it takes a few years. Bucks rebuild needs to be more than one year anyways. That has burned us at least twice in the last 10 years.

Agree on being patience and going for the best long-term guy, even if it takes him a while to get there. Not sure on the higher-potential part, though. Physically/athletically, perhaps.

But the biggest stars have a burning intensity, drive, and competitiveness. If Wiggins doesn't have the burning drive and intensity to dominate in college or in practice and prove every day that he's the best guy on the court and the best guy in the world, will he develop that intensity later? When he's super rich, and it's the 50th game of an 82-game season? Jordan was incredibly intense and competitive, which helped fire his game over the long haul, and push his teams to play hard. Kobe is also incredibly competitive.

Perhaps wiggins has that too. But I think that's a personality factor that needs to be scouted as well as his vertical. A guy who doesn't have that fire to make himself great and make his team great and to play intense defense all game every game, might not have as much potential as we think.

Paul George did. You watch him play now and he has an intensity and swagger he never displayed before the postseason last year, he had the same tendency to be passive before.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Wiggins also has the biggest potential to be a big bust. Parker will always be able to score in the NBA. The Bucks can't afford to miss out on this pick. They already have one project in the Greek freak.

exactly. all this talent PRODUCING stupid numbers in college right now but lets draft the next marvin williams instead

wiggins either needs to step up and bring it... or gtfo. the idea that lebron james or kevin durant would have just "blended in" on a team like kansas has now is absurd.

[SupremeHustle]

Wiggins also has the biggest potential to be a big bust. Parker will always be able to score in the NBA. The Bucks can't afford to miss out on this pick. They already have one project in the Greek freak.

exactly. all this talent PRODUCING stupid numbers in college right now but lets draft the next marvin williams instead

wiggins either needs to step up and bring it... or gtfo. the idea that lebron james or kevin durant would have just "blended in" on a team like kansas has now is absurd.

I agree. Which is why I'll never understand why Jimmer Fredette didn't go first overall instead of Kyrie Irving.

[Buckrageous]

Wiggins also has the biggest potential to be a big bust. Parker will always be able to score in the NBA. The Bucks can't afford to miss out on this pick. They already have one project in the Greek freak.

exactly. all this talent PRODUCING stupid numbers in college right now but lets draft the next marvin williams instead

wiggins either needs to step up and bring it... or gtfo. the idea that lebron james or kevin durant would have just "blended in" on a team like kansas has now is absurd.

I agree. Which is why I'll never understand why Jimmer Fredette didn't go first overall instead of Kyrie Irving.

Kyrie Irving did look like a star right away on a veteran Duke team. He wasn't blending in. When he came back in the tourney maybe but Im not sure he was healthy. Im not arguing against Wiggins but the Irving comparison to Jimmer doesn't work since he looked like the better prospect day 1.

[Turk Nowitzki]

The thing I like about Parker is that I feel that his areas of weakness can be improved. The ability he has as a natural scorer is not something that can be taught.

[jakecronus8]

Strangely, I have a decent amount of faith in the Bucks if they draft in the top 5. The rest of the offseason? Not so much.

[SupremeHustle]

exactly. all this talent PRODUCING stupid numbers in college right now but lets draft the next marvin williams instead

wiggins either needs to step up and bring it... or gtfo. the idea that lebron james or kevin durant would have just "blended in" on a team like kansas has now is absurd.

I agree. Which is why I'll never understand why Jimmer Fredette didn't go first overall instead of Kyrie Irving.

Kyrie Irving did look like a star right away on a veteran Duke team. He wasn't blending in. When he came back in the tourney maybe but Im not sure he was healthy. Im not arguing against Wiggins but the Irving comparison to Jimmer doesn't work since he looked like the better prospect day 1.

They're talking about numbers, though.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

jimmer fredette?

wtf does an undersized 4 year college gaurd who averaged 7 pts a game his freshman year in the WAC have to do with kyrie or wiggins?

[SupremeHustle]

So now we're not talking about PRODUCING (your word), we're talking about freshman year?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

So now we're not talking about PRODUCING (your word), we're talking about freshmen year?

uhhhhh....of course?

were talking about where you pick wiggins in relation to the top 5 compared to parker, randle, smart, exum, etc
did you think i suggesting id rather have cj fair over him because of "production"?

BEWARE the supposed hs studs that draw the lebron/ durant comparisons coming out..... but once they arrive perform more like marvin williams and oj mayo. in a draft like this im not going to pick a guy like that over the other freshman in major conferences kicking everybodys asses upside and down from day one.

[LUKE23]

You only have one shot at the top 5 most likely. It's fine if you want Smart, but if you take him and Wiggins ends up better, you deserve every ounce of criticism you receive, regardless of how good Smart is.

You also realize that Wiggins has been scoring better so far than Smart did as a freshman, even though he hasn't been the focal point of the offense consistently right? Just making sure.

[Ron Swanson]

jimmer fredette?

wtf does an undersized 4 year college gaurd who averaged 7 pts a game his freshman year in the WAC have to do with kyrie or wiggins?

What does Marvin Williams have to do with Andrew Wiggins? I think he was just sarcastically giving you a comparison in response to the ridiculous comparison you just drew. Comparing Marvin Williams and Andrew Wiggins as even remotely similar prospects is laughable.

[msiris]

The thing I like about Parker is that I feel that his areas of weakness can be improved. The ability he has as a natural scorer is not something that can be taught.

I think scoring is the hardest thing to teach.

[msiris]

You only have one shot at the top 5 most likely. It's fine if you want Smart, but if you take him and Wiggins ends up better, you deserve every ounce of criticism you receive, regardless of how good Smart is.

You also realize that Wiggins has been scoring better so far than Smart did as a freshman, even though he hasn't been the focal point of the offense consistently right? Just making sure.

I agree. Taking Smart over Wiggins, Randle, or Parker would be nuts.

[SupremeHustle]

So now we're not talking about PRODUCING (your word), we're talking about freshmen year?

uhhhhh....of course?

were talking about where you pick wiggins in relation to the top 5 compared to parker, randle, smart, exum, etc
did you think i suggesting id rather have cj fair over him because of "production"?

BEWARE the supposed hs studs that draw the lebron/ durant comparisons coming out..... but once they arrive perform more like marvin williams and oj mayo. in a draft like this im not going to pick a guy like that over the other freshman in major conferences kicking everybodys asses upside and down from day one.

I wonder if people were saying "Beware the High School Studs that draw the Magic/Jordan comparisons..." in 2003.