Poll: Would you trade Giannis for Parker or Wiggins?

[europa]

Based on my limited viewing of Giannis last season there isn't a chance in hell I'd take him over Glenn Robinson if that's who Parker becomes. Newz said in another post he'd be happy if Giannis got as good as Batum and I agree that would be a good bar to set for him. But as much as I like Nic Batum I'm not taking him over Glenn Robinson either.

I think the ability to score 20-25 ppg with strong efficiency has always been undervalued in this forum. Possibly because we haven't seen many players who can do it. I think Parker has that type of potential offensively. As far as Wiggins, I think nearly everything about his talent, skill set and potential dwarfs what I've seen from Giannis by a significant margin.

Again I'll ask - does anyone realistically think a team would trade either one of these guys for Giannis? I don't think there's any way in hell it would happen. That doesn't mean Giannis can't be better but it would certainly appear to be something few people (outside of this forum anyway) think is going to realistically happen.

[step3profit]

Is this real life?

[ReasonablySober]

At least buckboy gave an effort. The rest of ya'll...

[Newz]

In Giannis's favor:

• Better height for a 3/4
• Better length
• Better outside shot
• Better playmaking ability
• Aggressive mentality. Wants to dunk it when he gets a sliver of space
• Has shown to be effective vs NBA caliber competition
• Is virtually the same age
• Projects to be a better defender than Parker and has the tools to be better than Wiggins
• Is a very hard worker and has no character flaws

What, from a scouting perspective, makes either Parker or Wiggins a better prospect?

He is obviously taller and longer than them, but I don't think that makes him a better prospect necessarily. You could make that same case for a guy like Anthony Randolph.

I'm not sure his outside shot is necessarily better. I think Wiggins has excellent form on his jumper and Parker projects to be a scoring machine. I think all three of them have chances to be very good perimeter shooters. I would guess (in terms of three point shooting) that Wiggins ends up being the best, Parker second and Giannis in last in that area. But that's obviously just a guess and projecting them in my own opinion.

I will say that I think he projects to be a better creator than either Wiggins or Parker at this point. I wouldn't say that's a lock necessarily because I think that Parker does have pretty good vision and he should demand a lot of defensive attention. I could see him developing into a very good distributor.

I agree he has a good attitude about him, but I don't think this production against NBA competition has been anything special yet. So far he has proven he belongs... my guess is the top 3 in this draft do the same this year by having good/great rookie years.

Obviously he projects to be a better defender than Parker, who is miles behind both of them in that category. I disagree 100% that his defensive upside is higher than Wiggins though. Giannis makes some incredible defensive plays, but he's not that impressive when moving side to side from what I've seen. He gets beat off of the dribble a fair amount. Wiggins could be an absolute monster defensively on the perimeter... I think he has the potential to be a Scottie Pippen level defensive player, which is probably his most exciting attribute.

I don't really see any huge character flaws in Parker or Wiggins either.

[buckboy]

Just to be clear, I don't think it's a slam dunk for Wiggins either. I love Giannis and i definitely wouldn't trade him for Parker.

I would only trade giannis if we ended up with Embiid and Wiggins.

[Newz]

We once had a thread comparing bogut to Tim freaking Duncan. We had a thread where me self included would only trade Jennings for lebron. We so over value our players. Gianni's showed some glimpses but overall he did not have a special rookie year. Maybe he becomes a stud, maybe he becomes a diaw. I believe the odds of him becoming an ak47 or a diaw are greater than him becoming a top 10 talent. For that reason alone I gamble and go would trade home for a top 3 pick in this draft. This draft has three tier 1 guys. Anyone that's been tier one has become a multiple time all star. The fact not a single other team would trade a top three pick for him is even more telling. This board is great, but god do we fall in love with players who continue to become mediocre. He smiles though. That improves his stock....

Exactly.

Giannis is a 19 year old kid with a lot of talent who had an average rookie year and people are ready to crown him as a superstar type of talent and prospect. Just like Bogut was the next Tim Duncan. Just like we wouldn't trade Brandon Jennings for Chris Paul.

I just think some people need to cool their jets a bit is all. He certainly has a chance to be a good player and maybe even a great player, but no reason to get totally carried away with the guy. I get that we are all fans, but it gets kind of hard to take people seriously when they say things like his floor is Scottie Pippen and you are clueless if you don't think he's a bigger version of Andre Iguodala.

[ReasonablySober]

We once had a thread comparing bogut to Tim freaking Duncan. We had a thread where me self included would only trade Jennings for lebron. We so over value our players. Gianni's showed some glimpses but overall he did not have a special rookie year. Maybe he becomes a stud, maybe he becomes a diaw. I believe the odds of him becoming an ak47 or a diaw are greater than him becoming a top 10 talent. For that reason alone I gamble and go would trade home for a top 3 pick in this draft. This draft has three tier 1 guys. Anyone that's been tier one has become a multiple time all star. The fact not a single other team would trade a top three pick for him is even more telling. This board is great, but god do we fall in love with players who continue to become mediocre. He smiles though. That improves his stock....

Exactly.

Giannis is a 19 year old kid with a lot of talent who had an average rookie year and people are ready to crown him as a superstar type of talent and prospect. Just like Bogut was the next Tim Duncan. Just like we wouldn't trade Brandon Jennings for Chris Paul.

I just think some people need to cool their jets a bit is all. He certainly has a chance to be a good player and maybe even a great player, but no reason to get totally carried away with the guy. I get that we are all fans, but it gets kind of hard to take people seriously when they say things like his floor is Scottie Pippen and you are clueless if you don't think he's a bigger version of Andre Iguodala.

I think this is where the disconnect is.

Part of the reason I'm (and I don't think anyone else is here) taking GIannis over Wiggins or Parker is I don't believe either of those two are franchise players you can pencil in for the All-Star team year in and year out. I don't think Giannis is either.

This isn't saying Bogut is the next Duncan or Jennings over Paul; Wiggins/Parker/Giannis aren't close to that level.

If you think Parker or Wiggins is a franchise level talent, okay, take them over Giannis. But I sure as hell don't see that with either.

[crkone]

Those other comparisons were comparing veteran HOF level players to unknown commodities. This is comparing unknowns to unknowns. I could have easily seen Wiggins or Parker having a worse year than Giannis last season as Drew has them stand in the corner waiting to hoist a 3.

[Newz]

I think this is where the disconnect is.

Part of the reason I'm (and I don't think anyone else is here) taking GIannis over Wiggins or Parker is I don't believe either of those two are franchise players you can pencil in for the All-Star team year in and year out. I don't think Giannis is either.

This isn't saying Bogut is the next Duncan or Jennings over Paul; Wiggins/Parker/Giannis aren't close to that level.

If you think Parker or Wiggins is a franchise level talent, okay, take them over Giannis. But I sure as hell don't see that with either.

We are definitely on the same page about this draft as we both think Embiid is the only guy who has a real chance of being that true superstar player like a LeBron, Duncan, Durant, etc.

I will say that I think Wiggins has a small chance of being a guy like that as well though. I think he could be dominant defensively and he has excellent form on his shot. He also does a great job of getting to the line and he is terrifying in transition because of his physical gifts.

Wiggins actually reminds me a little bit of Wade when he was coming out. I'm not going to say that they were exact clones of one another or that they will even end up with the same skillset, but Wiggins (like Wade) was just a freak of nature athletically for his position. A raw talent with all of the upside in the world... and I think Wiggins could be like Wade where if he works hard enough, he could be a superstar player.

Parker I don't think can be a true "franchise player" because of his defensive shortcomings. I do think he could be an absolute monsters offensively though. I will definitely agree that Giannis will always be a better "all around" player than him. I guess that would be a preference thing... do you want the guy in Giannis who could maybe become like a 20/8/5 guy with above average D... or do you want the guy in Parker who has a chance to be a 25-30 point a game scorer on elite efficiency?

[europa]

The fact not a single other team would trade a top three pick for him is even more telling.

It's the most pertinent point in my opinion which is why I posed the question twice. Still waiting for someone to answer.

[ReasonablySober]

It's already been answered.

[europa]

I think by the end of the season those who started watching were disappointed that he wasn't putting up bigger numbers. But the truth is he had never logged even 1/2 the games and minutes he was playing.

His Per 36 numbers weren't anything to brag about. 10 ppg, 6.4 rpg with poor FG and FT percentages. As a means of comparison, Tobes' Per 36 numbers as a rookie were 15.6 ppg, 7.6 rpg with good FG and FT percentages. Again, I'm not ruling out the possibility he's better than Wiggins or Parker in the future but I think it would be an absolute shock if both of those guys put up inferior Per 36 numbers as rookies next season.

[FrieAaron]

I'll just repeat my answer: I value the potential we saw from Giannis last year over the course of 82 games actually against NBA level talent over the same level of potential the other players showed in college against inferior competition. I have no doubt they will all be good players, but Giannis seems to have an equally high ceiling (a favorite buzzword around draft time), the physical tools and attitude high draft picks have and has already displayed it against NBA level competition. On top of that he's also roughly the exact same age as these two, so even that isn't an argument.

[Ayt]

I'll trade him easily for either.

This really seems the only sensible answer.

Again, does anyone honestly believe a team with a Top 3-4 pick would even consider trading it for Giannis? I think the odds of that are extremely remote. Like Press said, you're talking about two highly touted young prospects, one of whom (Wiggins) was a player the entire world wanted to tank for in this draft for nearly two years.

You care way too much about high school hype.

[europa]

I'll trade him easily for either.

This really seems the only sensible answer.

Again, does anyone honestly believe a team with a Top 3-4 pick would even consider trading it for Giannis? I think the odds of that are extremely remote. Like Press said, you're talking about two highly touted young prospects, one of whom (Wiggins) was a player the entire world wanted to tank for in this draft for nearly two years.

You care way too much about high school hype.

Nope. I have no interest all in high school hype. Based on what I saw from Wiggins in college there's no way in hell I'd trade him for Giannis. And I'm guessing neither would 99.9% of the NBA.

[theFireBlanket]

I'll just repeat my answer: I value the potential we saw from Giannis last year over the course of 82 games actually against NBA level talent over the same level of potential the other players showed in college against inferior competition. I have no doubt they will all be good players, but Giannis seems to have an equally high ceiling (a favorite buzzword around draft time), the physical tools and attitude high draft picks have and has already displayed it against NBA level competition. On top of that he's also roughly the exact same age as these two, so even that isn't an argument.

Europa wasn't following the team and watching these games for most of last season. He tuned into watch Giannis for one game and decided it wasn't worth watching at some point in said game.

Gianni's second half wasn't as impressive from the box score statistically but there were a number of reasonable excuses for that: poor coaching decisions [intentional or not?], inconsistent role, team chemistry issues off the court, on the floor post trade deadline, hitting the rookie wall after coming from playing far less in a lower division of Greek basketball.

[FrieAaron]

I think by the end of the season those who started watching were disappointed that he wasn't putting up bigger numbers. But the truth is he had never logged even 1/2 the games and minutes he was playing.

His Per 36 numbers weren't anything to brag about. 10 ppg, 6.4 rpg with poor FG and FT percentages. As a means of comparison, Tobes' Per 36 numbers as a rookie were 15.6 ppg, 7.6 rpg with good FG and FT percentages. Again, I'm not ruling out the possibility he's better than Wiggins or Parker in the future but I think it would be an absolute shock if both of those guys put up inferior Per 36 numbers as rookies next season.

He was also (and I sincerely doubt anyone here would argue with this) severely misused and playing a much more demanding schedule against far superior competition. I have no problem that people would make the trade, but I can't see how it's an easy decision.

[europa]

I'll just repeat my answer: I value the potential we saw from Giannis last year over the course of 82 games actually against NBA level talent over the same level of potential the other players showed in college against inferior competition. I have no doubt they will all be good players, but Giannis seems to have an equally high ceiling (a favorite buzzword around draft time), the physical tools and attitude high draft picks have and has already displayed it against NBA level competition. On top of that he's also roughly the exact same age as these two, so even that isn't an argument.

Europa wasn't following the team and watching these games for most of last season. He tuned into watch Giannis for one game and decided it wasn't worth watching at some point in said game.

I have acknowledged the small sample size in terms of the games I watched this past season and with Giannis specifically. I did watch more than one, though. Not many more but it was more than one.

I fully acknowledge most of you saw a lot more of Giannis than I did and have stated that on more than one occasion. I'm not claiming by any means to be an expert on his talent or potential. I hope you guys are right in that he's a superstar in the making. I think that would be awesome. All I'm saying is that in the very limited exposure I had to him I saw none of that superstar potential nor did I see anything that would have me even considering saying no to two high-level prospects like Wiggins or Parker in the highly unlikely event a team offered them to the Bucks for Giannis.

[europa]

He was also (and I sincerely doubt anyone here would argue with this) severely misused

Given Larry Drew's lack of skill as a head coach I have no doubt that was the case.

But having said that, I think Tobes was also badly misused as a rookie and his Per 36 numbers were much more impressive. As I said before, I was impressed immediately by Tobes. I'm still waiting for that feeling to occur with Giannis though I once again will say that I do need to see him play more.

[jr lucosa]

I think this is where the disconnect is.

Part of the reason I'm (and I don't think anyone else is here) taking GIannis over Wiggins or Parker is I don't believe either of those two are franchise players you can pencil in for the All-Star team year in and year out. I don't think Giannis is either.

This isn't saying Bogut is the next Duncan or Jennings over Paul; Wiggins/Parker/Giannis aren't close to that level.

If you think Parker or Wiggins is a franchise level talent, okay, take them over Giannis. But I sure as hell don't see that with either.

This is where I'm at. If this thread title was would you trade Giannis for Embiid I'd be more likely to go for it, I really like parts of both Parker and Wiggins game but I think they are far from being guaranteed superstars or even all-stars. I think Giannis has the brightest future of the three.