Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

Post #101 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:01 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:This is why we got Jason Kidd. Recruit Bledsoe and have him force a sign and trade.

A lot of people are missing the force part of this.

If Kidd convinces Bledsoe that he's the guy to take him to the next level, then it becomes Bledsoe's agent pushing hard for the sign and trade. Then the Suns are risking matching an offer for an unhappy player, and the Bucks cost decreases..

Exactly. Think if how many times we've been on the other side of these things.

Kidd needs to be whispering in Bledsoe's ear that the Suns are really Dragic's team and that Bledsoe needs to come to MKE to be the man. We need to force the S&T as the Suns likely match a pure offer sheet.

Per the question above, the new max offer won't be set for another few days once the cap is finalized, but the max offer should be in the four year/$62 million range I would guess.

-Jragon- · Post #102 » by **-Jragon-** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:02 pm

why max out a pg that ave. 5.5 assists per game. I haven't seen much of him but I would think that a max pg would be closer to 10 assists

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Balls2TheWalls · Post #103 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:03 pm

This report lets me know that someone on the Bucks is 100% aware of how the roster should be built - whether it be Kidd or Hammond.

Chuck Diesel · Post #104 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:04 pm

Bledsoe has the potential to be special. Concerned about offering a maximum contract to a guy who's injuries have caused him to miss half his games two of the last three seasons.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #105 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:05 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:This is why we got Jason Kidd. Recruit Bledsoe and have him force a sign and trade.

A lot of people are missing the force part of this.

If Kidd convinces Bledsoe that he's the guy to take him to the next level, then it becomes Bledsoe's agent pushing hard for the sign and trade. Then the Suns are risking matching an offer for an unhappy player, and the Bucks cost decreases.

Meh, I really don't think teams care too much about this. I guess it always depends on the situation but last year, when we gave an offer sheet to Teague, he expressed his desire to leave Atlanta. They matched anyway and everything was fine.

Bernman · Post #106 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:06 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:A lot of people are missing the force part of this.

If Kidd convinces Bledsoe that he's the guy to take him to the next level, then it becomes Bledsoe's agent pushing hard for the sign and trade. Then the Suns are risking matching an offer for an unhappy player, and the Bucks cost decreases.

I also like Lin, Vasquez not as much.

I hope that would happen, in which case we might only need to include Henson OR Knight OR even nothing, but it doesn't seem likely that Bledsoe would be so dead-set on coming to Milwaukee. More likely this situation would just be palatable enough with Kidd, the new owners, and Parker/Giannis/Sanders to sign here for the big bucks initially, and then he'll be satisfied going to either place. Phoenix is pretty tits in the winter, and close to LA. As a result of that and the cap space I always thought of them as a dark horse for the big ticket fa's this summer. They lured Nash ten years ago. I don't think we can expect to surpass Phoenix's level of attractiveness practically overnight, if we ever can. I think Bledsoe would be just fine with Phoenix matching, if not prefer it.

Baddy Chuck · Post #107 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:08 pm

-Jragon- wrote:why max out a pg that ave. 5.5 assists per game. I haven't seen much of him but I would think that a max pg would be closer to 10 assists

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CaptainAwesome · Post #108 » by **CaptainAwesome** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:10 pm

I wonder...

Could a 3 way S&T with Bledsoe involve:

MIL sends to HOU: 2nd round pick/cheap filler
HOU sends to MIL: Lin/Draft-N-Stash
HOU sends to PHO: New Orlean's 1st acquired in the Asik trade
MIL sends to PHO: Henson
PHO sends to MIL: Bledsoe

So HOU gets: 2nd round pick/cheap filler/Cap Space
PHO gets: Henson/New Orlean's 1st
MIL gets: Lin/Draft-N-Stash/Bledsoe

Am I totally out in left field here?

El Duderino · Post #109 » by **El Duderino** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:11 pm

Bernman wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:A lot of people are missing the force part of this.

If Kidd convinces Bledsoe that he's the guy to take him to the next level, then it becomes Bledsoe's agent pushing hard for the sign and trade. Then the Suns are risking matching an offer for an unhappy player, and the Bucks cost decreases.

I also like Lin, Vasquez not as much.

I hope that would happen, in which case we might only need to include Henson OR Knight, but it doesn't seem likely that Bledsoe would be so dead-set on coming to Milwaukee. More likely this situation would just be palatable enough with Kidd, the new owners, and Parker/Giannis/Sanders to sign here for the big bucks initially, and then he'll be satisfied going to either place. Phoenix is pretty tits in the winter, and close to LA. As a result of that and the cap space I always thought of them as a dark horse for the big ticket fa's this summer. They lured Nash ten years ago. I don't think we can expect to surpass Phoenix's level of attractiveness practically overnight, if we ever can. I think Bledsoe would be just fine with Phoenix matching, if not prefer it.

That's my thought. I have a hard time seeing Bledsoe being unhappy to stay in Phoenix so long as he gets paid. Hell, i've lived in Wisconsin since i was a little kid and even i'd rather play in Phoenix if the money was there also.

Post #110 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:12 pm

Sky Bucks wrote:How much is a max contract for a guy like Bledsoe?

Between $14 and $15 a year. I didn't know you guys had that much cap space (thought you had more like 12). I think you just go after Lin. I think he can be really good in the right situation. Sure, as a Suns fan I don't really want you to give Bledsoe and offer, but I'm 99% sure we'd match anyway, and you could end up missing out on the other guys. You might be able to pry an additional asset from Houston too since they are eager to dump Lin, so they can sign Bosh, and also because he does have that balloon payment. I know Philly has offered to take him though, so I don't know what they are asking for in order to take him.

I think Vazquez is kind of underrated too.

WEFFPIM · Post #111 » by **WEFFPIM** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:12 pm

Edited, question answered above me

Post #112 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:15 pm

CaptainAwesome wrote:I wonder...

Could a 3 way S&T with Bledsoe involve:

MIL sends to HOU: 2nd round pick/cheap filler
HOU sends to MIL: Lin/Draft-N-Stash
HOU sends to PHO: New Orlean's 1st acquired in the Asik trade
MIL sends to PHO: Henson
PHO sends to MIL: Bledsoe

So HOU gets: 2nd round pick/cheap filler/Cap Space
PHO gets: Henson/New Orlean's 1st
MIL gets: Lin/Draft-N-Stash/Bledsoe

Am I totally out in left field here?

I think a more likely deal would be something like:

Bledsoe to Milwaukee
Ilyasova, and a couple of Phx firsts to Minnesota (maybe more like the Morris twins, Henson or even a future Milwaukee pick)
Love to Phx

I don't think Phx S&T's Bledsoe unless someone like Love is coming back. But first and foremost they are trying to get LeBron, and if that happens, Bledsoe wouldn't go anywhere because he is part of the pitch as they share the same agent, are friends, etc.

Serge28 · Post #113 » by **Serge28** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:17 pm

I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

Baddy Chuck · Post #114 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:18 pm

Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

As someone who likes Vasquez, my god no.

ampd · Post #115 » by **ampd** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:21 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

As someone who likes Vasquez, my god no.

Yeah that's a lot

Serge28 · Post #116 » by **Serge28** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:23 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

As someone who likes Vasquez, my god no.

I think $6-$7 million per year on a 3 year deal would be a great value for Vasquez. That should be the determining factor for signings. It's way better value than Bledsoe at max and I can't even believe we're seriously discussing Lin here.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #117 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:23 pm

Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

Much money, no like.

cinematographer · Post #118 » by **cinematographer** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:23 pm

No firsts for Bledsoe. That's what Knight and Henson are for.

Post #119 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:24 pm

Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

With the money still left amongst teams in FA, that probably is the contract he gets though. That said, I have no interest this year in a guy like that. If we were already a 45-50 win team, then I'd like him.

Serge28 · Post #120 » by **Serge28** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:24 pm

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nba/point-guard/

Look at this list and then tell me that $6-$7 million per year for Vasquez for 3 years is not great value.